Lumberyard mold: what it is, how it's treated, and what home inspectors should say about it

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Matt, we are back dude and long overdue.

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My friend, how are you doing out in Houston?

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uh Great.

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I'm burning up out here.

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It's already summer.

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Like it's like in the high eighties.

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I'm sweating my tail off out there doing inspections today.

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I had a really interesting day.

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I did a, was one of several guest speakers on a panel of all about healthy homes, which is
right in line with what we're going to be, you know, focusing on the topic of today's

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podcast on.

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And so I'm really excited to just go straight from that into this.

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It's been kind of an exciting day, but yeah, a lot going on, man.

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You can really tell the summer is right around the.

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Dude, definitely man.

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you know, there's been if you guys have been watching all year, we've definitely placed an
emphasis on healthy homes over the last several months.

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And today we're talking about things that grow behind the walls.

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So we're talking about mold.

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And nobody better to talk about that than our guest, but let's roll the intro and then
we're going to bring.

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All right, let's do it.

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first started communicating with Jordan back, I swear it was like 2018 or 2019, right?

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It's been some years ago.

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I'm not real sure.

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Jordan Mason is our guest today.

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He's out in the Tampa area of Florida.

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Am I correct?

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we just, we communicate a lot on a social or used to anyway, a lot on social media.

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Um, Jordan was just, you know, there's, there's those people that when they put out
content, you can just tell that they're genuine.

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people, good people with on a good mission.

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And that is always the impression I got from Jordan's content that he put out.

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Uh, and I always respected him for that.

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And me and him have been kind of chatting back and forth about the industry for a long
time.

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Uh, we had Ryan wall on last season, uh, Jordan and Ryan work together.

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I remember when you guys made that merge.

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actually, I remember you talking about hello home before you guys did that.

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Like I remember when you, when you were

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kind of when you couldn't do a job or maybe you guys did jobs together.

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I don't know.

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I remember some things kind of before the transition.

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So it's pretty cool.

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So super excited to have you on the show.

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Jordan Mason.

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We're going to say at least today because you're with Hello Home Still, right?

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Yes, ah less in the field with Hello Homes, more just kind of as an advisory role, helping
the team out, helping to lead the team of inspectors when necessary.

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But I'll be honest, they make it super easy on me.

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They're all super self-sufficient.

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So I'm there for a question just as kind of the more seasoned guy in the room, but they do
a great job over there.

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Well, speak of the season.

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more talking about CXR solutions, which is another company that is affiliated with Hello
Home or just owned by, what's the deal there?

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it's really same ownership, but we have a great working relationship.

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know, the real estate space, it's a big community, really.

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And especially in Tampa, we've had a lot of growth, a lot of business, a lot of just
craziness over the last five to six years.

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And we got a lot of really great contacts in there.

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And a lot of it started as like, hey, we have all these agents who are asking us about
repair addendums all the time, but how do we actually help them?

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And so, you know, as an inspector, you can't really do much on the back end to help out.

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So it started with a big idea and a little bit of this, little bit of that, but it's taken
off over the last year and it's grown probably to places that we'd never even imagined.

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Dude, that's awesome.

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you came from being a home inspector yourself and then moving over here merging with Ryan.

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So you've got a keen perspective on uh something that I want to tell the viewers about
before we launch into the discussion.

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So guys, do you remember your first year as a home inspector?

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yeah.

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What stood out to you the most?

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Take me back to the biggest pain points that you had back then.

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Jordan, you go ahead.

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Yeah, for me, was just uh being very excited to be in the market.

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I was in the mortgage space.

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So was still kind of in that real estate world, but I was just getting stuck behind a desk
and I was kind of not liking sitting there all day.

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I wanted to do something with my hands.

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So I honestly started as like a, hey, I could do a job or two a week just to get myself
out and about.

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And it blew up.

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the thing that I remember is I'm licensed, I'm super excited.

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I've crossed all my T's and dotted all my I's.

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and then realizing, I don't know that I actually know enough, you know, and having that
kind of imposter syndrome and like, man, do I really know enough to do a good job for

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these clients?

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Man, that's exactly what I was gonna say.

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Like the first thing that came to mind when you asked this question, Brad, to me was
uncertainty.

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I was uncertain in myself.

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Now, in retrospect, I mean, I've said it before, I've said it on air.

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I wish I could get at least the first two years of inspection back and do those again.

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However, I will say that I knew more than I allowed myself to think I knew.

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know, like I was actually better than I thought I was.

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You know, I was more competent than I actually knew.

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But I had this fear, like you said, imposter syndrome and just uncertainty looming.

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Yeah, no, definitely.

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My biggest thing was I had the technical knowledge, but I didn't have the business
knowledge, right?

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I didn't know how to like you come out of you come out of all of your inner Natchi
training or whatever your inspector school is and you know everything, you know, book

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knowledge wise about the house, right?

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You've, you've, seen some stuff and you know what it is in the book.

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You haven't necessarily seen everything that there is to see.

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You've got a lot more coming on that, but understanding the business fundamentals of your
financials of marketing of sales.

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of how to network and actually connect with agents so you can build a book of business.

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uh It's tough and things have changed over the years, but uh if you noticed, we've kind of
scaled back a little bit here on the Ride Along podcast over the last two months.

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And that's because we're actually ramping up production on something that's going to be
coming out mid-July.

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It's a masterclass for three months, right?

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It's two per month from July through September.

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And this is going to be a crash course for first year inspectors or, you know, newer
inspectors.

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If you're still interested in growing your business and learning the fundamentals to kind
of help fill in some of those knowledge gaps, we're to have some amazing guests that are

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going to be presenting.

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It's going to be webinar style and we'll give you guys all the details on that soon.

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So stay tuned on that.

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it's not just about like, okay, I had the uncertainty and you had like a little bit of
business knowledge.

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But the fact of the matter is you have to do both of those things.

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There's actually all those things you have to do them all at the same time.

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And we don't, we're usually not just like banging at one and then not at the other.

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Like there's a lot of uncertainty and a lot of, uh, unsureness going into all of those
things.

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So that all should be covered.

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Yeah, you hear your business owners talk about implementing systems and processes and you
go, what in the heck does that even mean?

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How does what does that have to do with home home inspections?

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I know how to go around the house.

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We also need to know know your way around an office, you know, even if it's in your own
house.

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So you've got to have things in place to keep things rolling.

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We'll have to get there.

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So that's going to be coming up.

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Stay tuned on that.

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Cheers to that for sure.

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Speaking of cheers, guys, we can't get too far into this without doing the drink of the
day Jordan.

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Welcome to your inaugural drink of the day sponsored by inspection fuel.

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It's going to be September 28 through the 30th in Louisville.

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And Matt, I hear the hosts are pretty awesome.

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Yeah, you know, I heard some pretty good things about those guys too.

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think, feel like their name might be Brad and Matt, I think maybe something like that.

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They're rather good looking guys, eloquent, you know.

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That's what I hear.

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to think so.

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Yeah, so go check that out, but you can go register inspectionfuel.com Jordan.

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What are you sipping on tonight for your drink of the day?

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So tonight we got the Golden Road Mango Cart.

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Dig it.

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Good choices, man.

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Especially Florida.

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That's a good Florida beer, you know.

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It is.

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beer.

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I, there was one year, every year I try to get a, an ad, a beer advent calendar for
Christmas.

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And, one year it was like, cause most of times I was finding my Costco and most of the
time like German, which I love that stuff.

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But one year was like craft beer or something.

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And they had a whole bunch of stuff like that.

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And, and, they some IPA small different places and everything that particular one was in
there.

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It's the first time I'd had it.

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That's killer.

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Good stuff.

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What do you drink?

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Yeah.

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Well, me, I'm sipping on some Cooper Family.

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This is their barrel reserve bourbon whiskey.

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And so this is one of their nicer bottles.

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you know, I was feeling frisky today.

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cheers.

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It had to be bourbon.

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Honestly, a cocktail sounded really good.

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I don't think I have a beer.

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A cocktail sounded really good, but I was lazy.

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I just wanted to pour something in the cup and let's go.

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Man, uh I've still got, I think, a little bit left of that Cooper family bottle that you
gave me before.

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That stuff was solid, It is.

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They have a few different bottles.

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This one in particular, I tend to like a lot, but it's also like the one that's the most
expensive.

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So go figure.

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But I mean, I haven't had a bad ball.

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And you are simply a man with a refined palette.

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Okay.

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That's it.

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Well, guys, I am sipping on something new.

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you know, usually, gosh, Jordan, you've got a Florida beer there.

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I'm a Florida boy.

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Y'all know that the Gulf has a place in my heart.

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But tonight, I am sipping on something pretty cool here.

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This is a newer product straight out of Nashville, Tennessee, called rhino dart.

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That is a tequila based beverage.

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It's not a heart seltzer, 8 % alcohol by volume, some friends of mine here created it.

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I'm trying to help them get it off the ground.

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They're not sponsoring the show.

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I just think that you guys if especially if you're home inspectors in Tennessee should go
check it out.

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And they're they're going to be coming to a state near you soon.

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You

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it's in a can, so it's got to have more than that.

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spirits, citrus liqueur with wildflower honey.

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it's pretty good, man.

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It's pretty good.

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I Rhino dart, you know, it sounds a little tranky.

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But you know, I'm like, if I I drink this, am I just gonna die like, but I haven't yet.

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So, you know,

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certainly hope not.

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And on that topic, let's go to something that I don't know.

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Is it dangerous?

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Is it not something that I've been dying to talk to you about man?

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And really, because I've known you've been doing this for a while, but you've done some
videos on this particular topic I want to touch on.

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I know that you have some knowledge and not only what it is, but the removal of it and
it's lumber yard mold.

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I'm going to go.

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lumberyard mold, right?

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I'm gonna use the air quotes here, because that's what we were calling it, right?

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But but this stuff, uh it grows in a house before it's dried in, even if it doesn't have
anything on it, whenever they start framing the house, so we can call it whatever we want.

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But it is some type of microbial growth happening during the framing stage.

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And we need to figure out like, what is it?

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You know, what is it?

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Is it?

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What's the toxicity level?

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What is your knowledge of that of that stuff?

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Do we write it off?

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Do we report it?

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Yeah.

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so I think what I'll say is mold in general is a very hot topic right now.

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It's huge on social media.

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People are really diving into it, which is a good thing.

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At the base of any real problem is knowledge.

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And the more people that know about it, the more people understand about it is a good
thing.

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To me,

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when I use the term lumberyard mold or I hear it, one, it's either a builder trying to get
out of something, which we'll probably talk about in a little bit.

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uh But to me, lumberyard mold is, that's gonna be showing up on the wood.

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That's coming from wherever, whether it's two by fours or uh joists or trusses or whatever
we're talking about.

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That's kind of where we put the sort of imaginary line in the build process.

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This is coming on the wood

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from wherever it's coming from versus maybe some humidity style molds that are growing.

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mean, math's the same way.

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It's a million degrees in these properties while they're being, mean, sometimes it's six
weeks, eight weeks, months, who knows?

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ah One small wrinkle in the build process can really extend these products and all of
sudden you'd have a house sitting there for six months with a couple of windows and sure

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it's got a roof, but.

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the humidity alone can grow some things.

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So that's a big difference for us.

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um Did this come with the wood?

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Is it more heavily rooted in there?

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Or is this something that maybe grew in the last couple of weeks?

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It doesn't take long.

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doesn't matter.

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I guess like, you know, I guess that that's part of the question is like, what is your
knowledge as to what it is?

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you like we were calling it lumberyard mold, but I mean, certainly there's microbial
growth that I think maybe wouldn't be considered mold.

226
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There's certainly things that are a uh fungus or a mildew.

227
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Is that considered mold?

228
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I don't know.

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um I haven't done any testing on I don't know.

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There's there's also uh mold that is, you know, very

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toxic and other molds that are not very toxic.

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And I think the reason why mold is such a hot topic is because people are starting to
become more aware of this.

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I mean, I literally spoke with somebody today that I spoke with several times.

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Her child was diagnosed with autism and this went on for a couple of years before they
finally realized it actually wasn't that they saw a doctor.

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The doctor said, Hey, well, let me ask you something.

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When did this change?

237
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They said, well, this time, what changed during that time?

238
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They found out they moved into a new house.

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started doing some investigating.

240
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They found out their house was literally covered in mold that was causing these problems.

241
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And so they moved her out of that house and within three months everything was gone and
she's no longer considered autistic.

242
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As a matter of fact, there's nothing at all.

243
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She's just completely like she was prior to this.

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so, you know, so what is this stuff?

245
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What do you know about it?

246
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Yeah, so we like to take like a really nuanced approach to every property and for me
specifically, I'm there for the property, but I'm also there for the family.

247
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so understanding the entire background is really important to me because you could be in a
house and you could be sneezing and coughing and you could have real problems.

248
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I can be standing right next to you and maybe it just doesn't bother me.

249
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um So not only do we have to understand, what's there,

250
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what genuses of mold are there, what are we really dealing with, but then also
understanding the other side of the equation.

251
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Not to say that we would sort of not treat it if the person wasn't allergic, but we have
to understand the whole thing.

252
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A good example, we just completed a project last week and it's new construction, very
similar, not quite as extreme as the example you just gave, but they had to sell their

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house, they've moved out.

254
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and because they had seepage through their foundation and like 3,500 square feet of mold
underneath the floor.

255
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And they have a five-year-old daughter who was just incredibly sick and her face is
swelling up and she's doing all this.

256
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And so they're, hey, we're gonna build a new house.

257
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We're gonna build a new house.

258
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is the way forward.

259
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This is how we can control our daughter's health.

260
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And they come in and there's mold all over the trusses and...

261
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You know, there's always scrap pieces of wood here or there that get used up from the
bottom of the pile that maybe shouldn't have.

262
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That's easy to deal with.

263
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But you know, you're looking at these trusses and lo and behold, the worst of it was in
the room that this daughter was going to be in.

264
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Of course, right?

265
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So it was just, you know, luckily they're educated.

266
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They understand because they found a good doctor.

267
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But you know, the inspection side.

268
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The remediation side, I think, is a little bit ahead of the doctor side right now.

269
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There's not a lot of doctors who specialize in this.

270
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It's very hard to find them.

271
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So I think there's a lot of misdiagnosing going on.

272
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I that's obviously not my realm, but just the stories that I hear, there's a lot of
misdiagnosing happening when it could just be mold.

273
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I mean, there's a double danger in that, right?

274
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Where it's like, if things could be misdiagnosed, on the other hand, they can also be
misremedied at the same time.

275
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You know, you hear people say, well, if it is mold, you know, just put bleach on it, you
know, and I'm like, biggest misconception amongst homeowners, how to treat, right?

276
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You know, let's do that.

277
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Yeah.

278
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Yeah.

279
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You know, it doesn't do what people think it does most of the time.

280
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You know, basically what's going to happen and obviously not every case, you got to put
the disclaimer in there, you know, but your your chlorine in there is going to evaporate

281
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fairly quickly and you're just going to be left with water.

282
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I we literally put a kind of a silly video on our social media about a week ago where we
we I think we use the catchphrase, you're bringing moisture to a moisture party.

283
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And so that's kind of how we describe it.

284
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It's like, you know, we've had builders say this to us, hey, don't worry about it.

285
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You know, we know you found it in your pre drywall.

286
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We'll spray it down with bleach.

287
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No big deal.

288
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And we're like, whoa, hold on a second.

289
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Please, please don't do that.

290
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So yeah, I mean, it's just, you're left with too much, too much moisture and it's just not
going to do what you need it to do.

291
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Truly.

292
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Now, early on in my career, ah the first home inspection company that I worked for, we had
a branch of the company that was also mold abatement.

293
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Sounds similar to what you guys are doing.

294
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It's such an easy ancillary.

295
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Like if you're looking to spin off like a side business that's doing something else that's
adjacent to what you're already doing as an inspector, it's a great business to start.

296
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because the biggest thing is that I learned, we had a saying in the company, mold is gold,
right?

297
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For a lot of home buyers that are looking to buy, if...

298
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If you do see mold in the house, a lot of times it is fairly treatable if you know people
that know how to treat it properly.

299
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Um, but understanding when to treat it and if it needs treatment is another big thing,
right?

300
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I think about, houses in Florida that we see down there, lot of like old wood bungalows,
right?

301
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You get down on the crawl spaces.

302
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you're lucky if they're even properly supported down there, but, um, you, you can see old
mold, right?

303
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Where it's, dry, it's crusty.

304
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And you're like, do we need to worry about this anymore?

305
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My big question is, should people be worried about dormant mold becoming active again?

306
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Does all mold need to be treated or at what point?

307
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Yeah.

308
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Yeah, so again, everything is everything is is really case by case for us.

309
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You know, and I like what you were saying about kind of an ancillary service.

310
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That's that's how we started.

311
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We were an inspection company and, you know, a couple of bad hurricanes roll through.

312
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And you're like, man, people are going to need some help with this.

313
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We were already offering air quality testing, but it was really a we're going to set up
our air machine.

314
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We're going to walk away and we're just going to give you the results and.

315
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that's as far as you can really go.

316
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In Florida, we do have an assessor license as well as a remediator license.

317
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Not every state's exactly the same.

318
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And we kind of said, we want to go a little further.

319
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So let's go and do the coursework and let's sit for the assessor license.

320
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And the idea was we could just have a competitive advantage.

321
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While we're already doing our business, while we're already doing the inspections, we're
really not doing a lot extra.

322
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We're doing the testing.

323
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So let's just get more educated and let's have

324
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a better approach and it sort of snowballed from there.

325
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But, you know, we find something we don't like.

326
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Hey, I think, you know, that's mold.

327
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Maybe it's old, maybe it's new.

328
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Who knows?

329
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uh You know, then we go into moisture.

330
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We're to check for moisture.

331
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We're going to go through those steps and we have all the tools at our disposal to go
ahead and test it, whether that be a swab, an air test, know, tape lift, whatever,

332
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whatever the test method that makes the most sense.

333
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um The struggle is with certain testing methods.

334
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you will take a swab for example, the swab tests from the lab are binary.

335
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It's just yes or no.

336
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But it doesn't say, is that dormant?

337
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Is that live spores?

338
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That's the trouble.

339
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So there is a little bit of uh interpretation that you have to make.

340
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Why could it be active?

341
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Why could it be dormant?

342
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And kind of go down those roads.

343
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Well, hey, look, I know I've got enough humidity here.

344
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um Like if I'm finding

345
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Let's say, for example, I'm finding penicillium or aspergillus.

346
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Okay, well, I don't need a lot of water for that.

347
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That'll grow with humidity alone.

348
00:20:51,085 --> 00:20:53,756
Well, I'm in a pretty hot crawl space.

349
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I could take my hygrometer down there.

350
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Okay, yep, we're in the realm.

351
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So even if I can't prove that it is active or dormant, like we have all of the
preconditions to make it a problem, let's just err on the side of caution and let's take

352
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care of it.

353
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ah On the flip side, if we're finding

354
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something that just needs a tremendous amount of water.

355
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It's like, I don't have moisture anywhere.

356
00:21:17,405 --> 00:21:19,525
Something doesn't quite make sense here.

357
00:21:19,525 --> 00:21:22,325
You know, we have a mold that we see quite a lot.

358
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It's called catomium and pretty nasty stuff.

359
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Like for example, the lab will fail you on a test for catomium if it finds five spores.

360
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That's it.

361
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So they do not like it.

362
00:21:34,905 --> 00:21:41,260
But catomium is really tricky because it's very heavily associated with moisture damaged
wood.

363
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and termite damaged wood.

364
00:21:42,741 --> 00:21:45,301
Well, one, you're going to find those two things in the same place.

365
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um And from the research that we've done, as the wood continues to dry and as the wood is
brittle now because of the termite damage, those spores are kind of always getting

366
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released until you physically remove the wood.

367
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So there's a little bit of interpretation there sometimes.

368
00:22:01,867 --> 00:22:05,594
Hey, I'm finding ketomium, but I don't have any moisture.

369
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but I also don't have anything else that would be associated with it.

370
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Like you start finding ketomium and stachyvartous together, you got a big problem.

371
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um

372
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specifically, isn't simply a uh spray it and seal it and forget it type of a thing.

373
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You've got to take the lumber out.

374
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Ideally, and that's a really good point.

375
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I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions in the whole mold world.

376
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Certainly from sort of people that are maybe on the periphery but aren't in the
remediation space, the main goal should always be removal when possible.

377
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Always.

378
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Now, not always possible.

379
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I can't pull two feet of a load bearing wall out.

380
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So that's when we're gonna jump to treatment.

381
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for us, it's remove everything that you physically can first, treat everything that you
can't remove.

382
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And I think that's a big one.

383
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on that?

384
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I mean, because I've I went into a friend's house here in Tennessee.

385
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And again, I used to do mold abatement in Virginia, very similar client or climate to to
Tennessee.

386
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And he was like, hey, could you check this out?

387
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They you know, we had some water issues.

388
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They they did a French drain around the outside interior perimeter drain because it's an
older home.

389
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Very, very typical, you know, water remediation treatment system.

390
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Um, some pump in the back corner kind of a thing.

391
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And, um, but, uh, I walked down and, know, true to form, they cut out drywall four feet
up, you know, makes it easy to put new drywall back in, but they also cut the studs behind

392
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the drywall in the basement about two feet up.

393
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And I looked at it.

394
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I mean, they're dangling in the wall bag behind it.

395
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And I'm like, was that necessary?

396
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Because yeah.

397
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choice.

398
00:23:48,702 --> 00:23:56,526
I've never thought that that would be the best option because there's so many ways that
you can solve that problem, right?

399
00:23:56,526 --> 00:24:07,742
um Now, if it's, I mean, if the water's, yeah, if the water's sitting down there for
forever and ever and ever, it's like, okay, well, maybe we have integrity issues anyway,

400
00:24:07,742 --> 00:24:10,173
but that doesn't sound like that's what's going on there.

401
00:24:10,173 --> 00:24:16,276
um I mean, again, if our goal is removal, I guess it follows that, but...

402
00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:25,471
that seems a little extreme, especially when wood is so unbelievably treatable and you can
scrub it, you can sand it, you can blast it, you can treat it.

403
00:24:25,471 --> 00:24:26,654
I there's so many things you could do.

404
00:24:26,654 --> 00:24:29,766
Or if you're that worried, you can encapsulate it.

405
00:24:30,009 --> 00:24:36,050
So it sounds like your removal is like the things that are going to retain water the most.

406
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So the drywall, the insulation, tear all of that out.

407
00:24:39,299 --> 00:24:40,539
that's got to go.

408
00:24:40,579 --> 00:24:51,019
So I think if I'm picking up what you're laying down, you know, when it comes to this
lumberyard mold, here I go with the quotes again, like, we don't really know what it is

409
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unless it's tested.

410
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:57,539
It's not like this particular mold that we see is X mold.

411
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,879
And it could be different types of mold.

412
00:25:01,022 --> 00:25:10,065
unbelievably difficult or impossible for the average person to just look at something
straight up and ah identify it.

413
00:25:10,065 --> 00:25:11,636
You really need a microscope.

414
00:25:11,636 --> 00:25:17,538
But for us, ah what I like to do is I like to test when it's appropriate.

415
00:25:17,538 --> 00:25:21,639
You don't have to, um but I think it's helpful.

416
00:25:22,018 --> 00:25:22,699
Sure.

417
00:25:22,699 --> 00:25:23,779
Well, you know what you're dealing with.

418
00:25:23,779 --> 00:25:24,699
I can see that.

419
00:25:24,699 --> 00:25:29,579
And I mean, because like there are too many people that think, well, this is just not
really a problem.

420
00:25:29,579 --> 00:25:32,699
And for a couple of reasons, I want to go down that for one second.

421
00:25:32,739 --> 00:25:38,639
I, there's a builder out in the Pacific Northwest.

422
00:25:38,639 --> 00:25:39,379
Okay.

423
00:25:39,379 --> 00:25:41,319
Much different climate than me and you are dealing with.

424
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:42,019
Okay.

425
00:25:42,019 --> 00:25:46,639
They're wet, but they're wet with like water falling out of the sky, but they don't deal
with humidity.

426
00:25:46,639 --> 00:25:47,199
Right.

427
00:25:47,199 --> 00:25:51,773
Now have longer winters and where things dry out, you know, a lot, a lot.

428
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faster.

429
00:25:52,383 --> 00:26:01,777
And so like he, you know, without having to deal with the humidity issues, their biggest
challenge is just like, you know, keeping things dry enough to get the house put together.

430
00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:10,691
Once it's put together and sealed up, then they can dehumidify the house, dry out the
wood, and then they start putting up drywall once it's dry to like, you 15%.

431
00:26:10,691 --> 00:26:12,051
And so that's great.

432
00:26:12,051 --> 00:26:14,983
But he doesn't worry about the spots and stuff that he sees.

433
00:26:14,983 --> 00:26:21,061
Because in his opinion, and a lot of the internet's opinion, whenever I make a video on
this is, you know,

434
00:26:21,061 --> 00:26:23,092
Everyone see, and this is true, right?

435
00:26:23,092 --> 00:26:27,795
We need, what do we need to grow mold, water, air, food source, right?

436
00:26:27,796 --> 00:26:31,759
And so the woods, the food source, air is present.

437
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:35,041
And so all we're, all we're missing is the water, right?

438
00:26:35,041 --> 00:26:42,997
And so if we, if we dry in the house and put up the drywall and we don't have any issues
anymore, then do we, do we still have a mold problem?

439
00:26:42,997 --> 00:26:44,848
And that's, that's the internet's argument.

440
00:26:44,848 --> 00:26:49,351
And then the other flip side of that is like, well, I guess not the flip side, but there's

441
00:26:49,351 --> 00:26:56,886
you know, another side to that where someone says, if you do have a moisture problem at
that point, then you've got a bigger problem.

442
00:26:56,886 --> 00:26:58,817
And I'm like, sure.

443
00:26:59,177 --> 00:27:05,782
But we do have those things like how do know when something's going to leak?

444
00:27:05,782 --> 00:27:07,803
We do have a lot of humidity.

445
00:27:07,803 --> 00:27:12,806
And unfortunately, even I mean, the guy up in the Pacific Northwest, he's a high
performance home builder.

446
00:27:12,806 --> 00:27:14,387
He's building an airtight assembly.

447
00:27:14,387 --> 00:27:18,348
uh I have confidence that he's building a very good one, but most people aren't.

448
00:27:18,348 --> 00:27:20,049
And so we've got a lot of air leakage.

449
00:27:20,049 --> 00:27:28,731
That becomes a real problem for us here where you're at and where I'm at, because that air
coming into all of these compromised areas is bringing a ton of moisture with it.

450
00:27:28,732 --> 00:27:32,963
And so we can't guarantee that this is going to stay dry.

451
00:27:32,963 --> 00:27:39,675
and I guess where I'm going with this is like, does that being there dormant?

452
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,560
you know, and no water is present.

453
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,902
Does that mean we're not at a risk?

454
00:27:43,902 --> 00:27:51,389
And then like, okay, so if moisture showed up and that was, and that was not there, if the
house was treated and that was not there, moisture shows up, we're probably going to end

455
00:27:51,389 --> 00:27:53,171
up with a mold problem, right?

456
00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:59,127
Does the fact that it's already there dormant make it any worse, make it uh grow any
faster?

457
00:27:59,127 --> 00:28:01,449
Are we at a bigger risk?

458
00:28:01,449 --> 00:28:05,262
Like I think that's about seven, seven or eight questions all in one.

459
00:28:05,316 --> 00:28:19,544
it it yeah it absolutely can um You know dormant mold, know dead mold whatever we want to
whatever we want to call it It can absolutely re germinate with the the addition of new

460
00:28:19,544 --> 00:28:23,747
moisture and again, it doesn't necessarily have to be a leak I think that's another big
misconception.

461
00:28:23,747 --> 00:28:26,308
Hey, we have to have a sink leak to get mold.

462
00:28:26,308 --> 00:28:31,769
Well, not here someplace is short But like you said, I mean if we are finding

463
00:28:31,769 --> 00:28:34,279
lumberyard mold in quotes, we'll do that again.

464
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:39,381
If we're finding that in an attic space on the trusses, well, that's gonna be a hot attic.

465
00:28:39,381 --> 00:28:41,002
It's not gonna be conditioned.

466
00:28:41,002 --> 00:28:46,423
It's just getting outside air at, you know, 4 million percent humidity in the Florida
summers.

467
00:28:46,604 --> 00:28:50,405
And it's just gonna go right over top of the existing lumberyard mold.

468
00:28:50,405 --> 00:28:58,017
And again, we don't know what kind of mold it is, but in theory, it can absolutely uh sort
of re-germinate.

469
00:28:58,067 --> 00:29:09,772
Well, then, like if we start going down the rabbit hole of negative pressure issues, I
mean, you know, out here in our area with the high humidity we have and with people that

470
00:29:09,772 --> 00:29:18,696
absolutely have no idea about appropriate attic ventilation or HVAC, seems, uh we deal
with a lot of negative pressure issues.

471
00:29:18,696 --> 00:29:22,098
So it's like you're in your you had proper pressure in your house.

472
00:29:22,098 --> 00:29:25,736
If everything was dialed in like it was supposed to be, you might have

473
00:29:25,736 --> 00:29:28,460
an airtight assembly enough to not have any issues.

474
00:29:28,721 --> 00:29:38,169
But if you don't, or when something fails and stuff starts coming in, you know, does
having that stuff in the lumber already put us at a greater risk?

475
00:29:38,639 --> 00:29:39,810
Yeah, it certainly can.

476
00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:44,472
m Air infiltration is like the bane of my existence at this point.

477
00:29:44,472 --> 00:29:50,795
um We've done more mold remediations for HVAC closets that are just not sealed.

478
00:29:50,855 --> 00:29:55,238
And it's the same thing, hey, that hot attic air is coming in, it's coming in no matter
what.

479
00:29:55,238 --> 00:29:58,519
So you better be sealed, you better be right and tight.

480
00:29:58,519 --> 00:29:59,780
It doesn't take much.

481
00:29:59,780 --> 00:30:02,541
It can happen in two, three days.

482
00:30:02,703 --> 00:30:06,885
See, this is where I think it's good to plug something that we're all kind of connected
with.

483
00:30:06,885 --> 00:30:13,589
And again, we've intentionally tried to emphasize building science more over the course of
this past year.

484
00:30:13,589 --> 00:30:15,990
And inspection fuel is going to be no different.

485
00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:21,633
A lot of the topics that we're going to be speaking on and even our keynote speaker, the
king of building science himself.

486
00:30:21,633 --> 00:30:24,615
ah

487
00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:25,711
Go ahead, taste it.

488
00:30:25,711 --> 00:30:26,952
Yeah, we'll go ahead and say his name.

489
00:30:26,952 --> 00:30:28,103
It's Matt Reisinger, man.

490
00:30:28,103 --> 00:30:29,063
It's going to be awesome.

491
00:30:29,063 --> 00:30:31,095
I'm so freaking stoked about this dude.

492
00:30:31,095 --> 00:30:35,168
I've been wanting to do this since since we had him on the podcast in his own podcast
studio.

493
00:30:35,168 --> 00:30:36,799
Yeah, it is.

494
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:37,219
Yeah.

495
00:30:37,219 --> 00:30:45,405
But but this is one of the reasons why it's important for inspectors to uh to be in the
know and studied up on this stuff.

496
00:30:45,425 --> 00:30:48,767
Understanding ventilation and and air pressure within the home.

497
00:30:48,767 --> 00:30:54,172
uh Because like we all go to BS and beer in our respective community.

498
00:30:54,172 --> 00:30:54,674
right?

499
00:30:54,674 --> 00:30:56,663
Matt, you go in Houston.

500
00:30:56,663 --> 00:30:58,541
I know Ryan's involved with it in Tampa.

501
00:30:58,541 --> 00:30:59,551
Jordan, are you as well?

502
00:30:59,551 --> 00:31:01,273
Yeah, we've got a great one here.

503
00:31:01,273 --> 00:31:03,895
Scott Randall runs it and it's phenomenal.

504
00:31:03,895 --> 00:31:06,256
And it's just started up here in Nashville as well.

505
00:31:06,256 --> 00:31:16,482
So ah it's if you guys aren't plugged in with a community, it's a great network of
professionals where it's a mastermind group where everybody's kind of educating each other

506
00:31:16,482 --> 00:31:25,707
and helping everyone level themselves up ah so that we all stay ahead of the learning
curve when it comes to understanding the science of homes.

507
00:31:27,281 --> 00:31:28,691
Awesome.

508
00:31:28,852 --> 00:31:32,153
BS and beer.

509
00:31:32,153 --> 00:31:38,636
If you don't have a BS and beer chapter in your area, reach out to me because I can get
you in touch with the right people to open up a chapter.

510
00:31:38,636 --> 00:31:44,534
But if you're looking to join one that probably already is one, reach out to your
community and see if you can meet up with those people.

511
00:31:44,534 --> 00:31:50,401
a great place to meet like-minded folks and continue conversations just like the one we're
having today.

512
00:31:50,401 --> 00:31:56,203
And so, back to that, I want to know like, so you do inspections and you do...

513
00:31:58,324 --> 00:32:03,665
So, what do you think as an inspector, like what do you think we should be doing?

514
00:32:03,665 --> 00:32:08,046
You think it's an overreaction for us to put much of this in our report?

515
00:32:08,046 --> 00:32:10,627
Do you think the builders are just underestimating it?

516
00:32:10,627 --> 00:32:15,418
um What do you think is the proper road here?

517
00:32:15,418 --> 00:32:26,385
I I know when I see it, I will admit that there was a long time where I would see it and
not really say much about it because it is very common.

518
00:32:26,385 --> 00:32:26,955
Right.

519
00:32:26,955 --> 00:32:34,980
But, my perspective on some of this, and as I learned has changed considerably and also
because people's opinion has changed.

520
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:39,992
People are much more aware now and now they're like, Hey, look, I had a mold event.

521
00:32:39,992 --> 00:32:45,946
My mom, my sister, my brother had a mold event, uh, very sick.

522
00:32:45,946 --> 00:32:48,297
I don't want to start off on the wrong foot.

523
00:32:48,297 --> 00:32:51,929
can we just not have any mold whenever we put the house together?

524
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:55,391
And so, um, I tend to align with that.

525
00:32:55,391 --> 00:32:56,271
I'm like,

526
00:32:56,391 --> 00:32:57,782
Yeah, let's do something about it.

527
00:32:57,782 --> 00:33:07,414
And I get it because, you know, as inspectors, I feel like we need to, there's liability
involved, but also like the education is there for us to realize, like people are getting

528
00:33:07,414 --> 00:33:08,518
sick from stuff.

529
00:33:08,518 --> 00:33:09,848
So we should be calling this out.

530
00:33:09,848 --> 00:33:13,300
The only reason why nothing's getting done about it is because we're not saying anything
about it.

531
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:23,446
And so, but the reason why the builders aren't doing anything about it and the reason why
they're denying it is because of expense in the solution and whatever the solutions are.

532
00:33:23,446 --> 00:33:26,107
And, um and so, you know,

533
00:33:26,161 --> 00:33:36,750
I guess that's why I want to try to figure out like what do you think in your opinion,
what you think inspectors should be doing and what you think the builders should be doing

534
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:41,463
in terms of reacting to this because you know, they do get quite irritated when we call
this out.

535
00:33:41,591 --> 00:33:42,921
yeah, yeah.

536
00:33:42,921 --> 00:33:44,752
Unfortunately, we've had both ends of that spectrum.

537
00:33:44,752 --> 00:33:49,353
But I think the first thing for inspectors is just don't be afraid of it.

538
00:33:49,353 --> 00:33:51,493
Don't be afraid to talk about it.

539
00:33:52,554 --> 00:33:56,515
going along with that, just know your limits and don't be afraid of them.

540
00:33:56,515 --> 00:34:02,236
Like we all know, hey, this is where my expertise ends on this particular subject.

541
00:34:02,236 --> 00:34:08,418
And then just have someone on standby who is an expert in that field, just like we would
do with an HVAC system, right?

542
00:34:08,418 --> 00:34:10,450
Hey, I know what I know.

543
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:15,713
but like this is my HVAC contractor, he knows everything there is to know, I'm gonna pass
you along.

544
00:34:15,713 --> 00:34:17,294
I view it as exactly the same thing.

545
00:34:17,294 --> 00:34:21,936
um So I think don't be afraid of it, don't be afraid to talk about it.

546
00:34:21,936 --> 00:34:27,259
It's gonna be worse if you don't mention it and then it comes up, it's certainly gonna be
worse.

547
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,260
And again, it's a hot topic right now.

548
00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:39,596
So I think people are already, they're tuned into it, they wanna know, I mean, we have
other inspectors who we subcontract to just to do their mold testing while they're doing

549
00:34:39,596 --> 00:34:40,574
the inspection.

550
00:34:40,574 --> 00:34:42,894
uh And they're just like, look, this is my lane.

551
00:34:42,894 --> 00:34:44,215
I don't want to cross that lane.

552
00:34:44,215 --> 00:34:45,095
I know what I'm good at.

553
00:34:45,095 --> 00:34:45,756
I know what I'm not.

554
00:34:45,756 --> 00:34:48,716
Like, please just come in and take some tests and give us what we need.

555
00:34:48,716 --> 00:34:53,678
um So I think for inspectors, just be comfortable, be confident.

556
00:34:53,678 --> 00:34:56,199
There's also a really good InterNACHI class.

557
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:05,502
ah It's actually so good that the state of Florida will allow me to use it as continuing
education for both my mold licenses.

558
00:35:05,502 --> 00:35:07,133
So it's a good class.

559
00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:09,955
ah It's got a lot of really good info in there.

560
00:35:09,955 --> 00:35:20,530
that I mean again, most of us as inspectors are inter-nachi members use the resource um So
that's kind of from the inspection standpoint, you know education education education and

561
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:28,324
then just don't be afraid of it from the builders standpoint It really depends on the
builder because you know last week.

562
00:35:28,324 --> 00:35:37,179
Yeah, it really was it's tough last week We had a phenomenal builder and I want to give
them like their flowers when when they're they're due

563
00:35:37,329 --> 00:35:39,790
He wasn't afraid to talk about it.

564
00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:44,521
He came right, I mean, in this particular case, they had already paid a remediation
company.

565
00:35:44,521 --> 00:35:46,152
They just hadn't gone far enough.

566
00:35:46,152 --> 00:35:49,703
um And he didn't shy away from it.

567
00:35:49,703 --> 00:35:52,593
He's like, look, I understand this family situation.

568
00:35:52,593 --> 00:35:55,414
I want them to be happy as well as their project manager.

569
00:35:55,414 --> 00:35:57,305
It's like, great, thank you very much.

570
00:35:57,305 --> 00:36:02,536
Now, they weren't gonna cover the cost of it, but the homeowners, was important enough for
them.

571
00:36:02,536 --> 00:36:05,707
But even if they're not covering the cost, they still have to let us on site.

572
00:36:05,890 --> 00:36:08,321
And some builders are just not interested in doing that.

573
00:36:08,321 --> 00:36:11,362
um So I think for builders, I get it, right?

574
00:36:11,362 --> 00:36:13,183
Everyone's got a bottom line to keep.

575
00:36:13,183 --> 00:36:16,864
Everyone has to make their shareholders happy.

576
00:36:18,125 --> 00:36:20,206
Where's the line in that?

577
00:36:20,206 --> 00:36:31,081
Where's the line of this is where this needs to stop and we need to now be concerned about
people's health and not just about the dollars and cents.

578
00:36:31,081 --> 00:36:34,886
And I get it, you have to think about both, but.

579
00:36:34,886 --> 00:36:37,071
We gotta think about health as well sometimes.

580
00:36:37,071 --> 00:36:40,084
Well, I maintain that it all comes down to managing the client.

581
00:36:40,084 --> 00:36:48,041
And this kind of goes back to a, you know, a topic that that Matt and I have had, you
know, this, honestly, this might be one of the things where it's easier to not have the

582
00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:49,782
client on site for the inspection.

583
00:36:49,782 --> 00:37:00,893
ah Because when I've had the client on, yeah, when I've had the buyer there for the
inspection, and I've seen mold on site, they that's when you have to manage the panic.

584
00:37:00,893 --> 00:37:03,983
And I would always do it was a bit for sure.

585
00:37:03,983 --> 00:37:07,795
I was like, okay, you let's like, let's all hold hands and we're gonna say the word real
loud.

586
00:37:07,795 --> 00:37:08,645
We're just gonna scream.

587
00:37:08,645 --> 00:37:09,415
I just get it out.

588
00:37:09,415 --> 00:37:10,146
Right.

589
00:37:10,146 --> 00:37:11,826
And bold.

590
00:37:11,826 --> 00:37:17,419
Ah, but anyway, at that point, you know, when you look, you don't want to make light of
it.

591
00:37:17,419 --> 00:37:26,253
But when you set the expectation that this isn't something to be so scared of, because it
can be treated when you know what it is and how to treat it.

592
00:37:26,253 --> 00:37:29,054
But we need to call somebody special for that.

593
00:37:29,054 --> 00:37:32,355
And it ain't me, you know, like when you can manage it that way.

594
00:37:32,407 --> 00:37:39,209
I find that they're much more understanding, you know, it's and it's not a deal killing
thing at that.

595
00:37:39,701 --> 00:37:46,664
No, the word or the phrase that I use all the time is everything's treatable.

596
00:37:47,184 --> 00:37:59,929
Now, know, time, energy and money are always a factor, but everything's treatable from,
you know, the job today where it's maybe 10 feet square to a property that we did that's

597
00:37:59,929 --> 00:38:02,370
6,800 square feet and we treated most of it.

598
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:04,251
It's all treatable.

599
00:38:04,251 --> 00:38:06,182
It's just how do you approach it?

600
00:38:06,182 --> 00:38:07,762
How do you get after it?

601
00:38:07,762 --> 00:38:10,335
And that's, know, hey, you guys don't have to worry about that.

602
00:38:10,335 --> 00:38:11,635
That's where we come in.

603
00:38:11,696 --> 00:38:17,161
You guys just listen, hear what we have to say, and then let us take over.

604
00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:20,434
We'll figure out the logistics, but it's all, it's all manageable.

605
00:38:21,231 --> 00:38:26,378
Well, that's why investors, they're not scared, at least, you know, most of the good ones
that are looking for a great deal.

606
00:38:26,378 --> 00:38:28,070
They're not scared of properties with mold.

607
00:38:28,070 --> 00:38:29,922
They'll use it to negotiate.

608
00:38:29,922 --> 00:38:32,225
They'll knock crap out of those walls.

609
00:38:32,225 --> 00:38:36,225
And it's a blank slate to remodel it from there, you know.

610
00:38:36,225 --> 00:38:36,585
Yeah.

611
00:38:36,585 --> 00:38:39,887
And that's that's another key, I think, for inspectors.

612
00:38:40,808 --> 00:38:49,635
You know, don't automatically the presence of mold shouldn't be a determining factor on if
you buy or not.

613
00:38:49,635 --> 00:38:52,807
Now, perhaps the cost to remediate is fine.

614
00:38:52,807 --> 00:38:54,178
Totally happy with that.

615
00:38:54,178 --> 00:38:58,241
But I think some people, you know, hey, there's mold here.

616
00:38:58,241 --> 00:38:58,881
That's it.

617
00:38:58,881 --> 00:38:59,962
Let's call it a day.

618
00:38:59,962 --> 00:39:01,243
We need to move on.

619
00:39:01,243 --> 00:39:03,434
Well, you know, maybe.

620
00:39:03,476 --> 00:39:07,464
super susceptible to health issues, yeah, it makes sense.

621
00:39:07,464 --> 00:39:12,846
But don't, don't worry about it from a, you know, that has to be it for this house.

622
00:39:12,846 --> 00:39:19,589
What if it's your dream home and what if for like $4,000, you could still make it your
dream home.

623
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:22,049
And what if you got the seller to pay for it?

624
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:23,750
Then what's the problem?

625
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:26,231
You know, you have the problem solved.

626
00:39:26,231 --> 00:39:31,954
You have, you know, you didn't expend any, any money, so it can still be your dream home.

627
00:39:31,954 --> 00:39:35,661
You just need someone to know what they're doing to come in and take care of it for you.

628
00:39:35,661 --> 00:39:41,899
And with the seller treating it, that's not like they're replacing a roof and they're
going to put on cheap, cheap materials afterwards.

629
00:39:41,899 --> 00:39:42,139
Right.

630
00:39:42,139 --> 00:39:50,230
Because I, in that kind of instance, I tell a buyer all the time, like, look, just see if
you can get a credit and then you can pick the material afterwards.

631
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:53,293
But at least with this, they have to do the full abatement, you know?

632
00:39:54,813 --> 00:40:03,869
Well, now that we've officially probably pissed off all of the building and construction
people that were watching the show, let's talk about solutions.

633
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:10,264
So one, one thing that really intrigued me that I mean, you had a conversation about it
pretty recently.

634
00:40:10,264 --> 00:40:19,972
And I even, I sent you the sneak peek of the most recent video I put out on this lumber
yard mold stuff, which was Brad.

635
00:40:19,972 --> 00:40:22,213
don't know if you saw this, but basically

636
00:40:22,675 --> 00:40:29,395
It was was actually a combination of two houses, but it was like, it was some pretty
severe cases of lumberyard mold.

637
00:40:29,395 --> 00:40:35,855
And it was like, all I did was basically kept I kept saying lumberyard mold over and over
and over again.

638
00:40:35,855 --> 00:40:39,095
But I recorded over myself a bunch with like different pitches.

639
00:40:39,095 --> 00:40:41,515
So sounded like a bunch of people saying lumberyard mold.

640
00:40:41,655 --> 00:40:43,235
And it was like, it's not a problem.

641
00:40:43,235 --> 00:40:43,975
It's not a problem.

642
00:40:43,975 --> 00:40:44,435
It's fine.

643
00:40:44,435 --> 00:40:44,995
It's fine.

644
00:40:44,995 --> 00:40:45,855
We're gonna treat it with bleach.

645
00:40:45,855 --> 00:40:46,375
It's fine.

646
00:40:46,375 --> 00:40:50,811
Like, it was just all this like builders just just yapping it over and over again.

647
00:40:50,811 --> 00:40:54,345
And it went on for like a minute and a half or something.

648
00:40:54,345 --> 00:41:01,472
it like, it was the sheer fact that it went on so long was to prove a point because it's
like, that's what happens.

649
00:41:01,472 --> 00:41:03,874
Like it just, it's over and over again.

650
00:41:03,874 --> 00:41:06,887
hearing this like, so it was all on purpose, right?

651
00:41:06,887 --> 00:41:09,929
And the video like was loved and hated by many.

652
00:41:11,133 --> 00:41:15,253
what I want to know, like I say, what are the solutions, right?

653
00:41:16,113 --> 00:41:25,653
So builders at this point are probably angry and they're like, you know, okay, so you're
telling me there's all these problems, but this isn't a problem because I'm going to build

654
00:41:25,653 --> 00:41:29,013
a house that's not going to have moisture issues.

655
00:41:29,013 --> 00:41:30,607
So it's not a problem.

656
00:41:30,607 --> 00:41:34,298
But what can I do now that you've pissed everybody off and got everybody all scared?

657
00:41:34,298 --> 00:41:42,489
So what you made this video where you were just blasting this stuff right off and I was
like, what is that?

658
00:41:42,489 --> 00:41:52,884
Because the first question that comes up every time I find this stuff and every time it
comes up in one of my pre draw in spectrum ports, the buyer's like, what can we do?

659
00:41:52,884 --> 00:41:54,304
What can be done?

660
00:41:54,557 --> 00:41:56,741
And and um so

661
00:41:56,913 --> 00:41:59,933
You know, and I don't until I saw you doing that.

662
00:41:59,933 --> 00:42:02,633
I honestly didn't really have many answers and I think there's a cut.

663
00:42:02,633 --> 00:42:07,773
There's there's actually a few answers to that, which I think you'll probably be better at
answering than me.

664
00:42:07,773 --> 00:42:09,449
So why don't you go take that away?

665
00:42:09,573 --> 00:42:18,956
Yeah, so um the cool thing that I've discovered about mold remediation is the framework
never really changes.

666
00:42:18,956 --> 00:42:20,637
The framework's always the same.

667
00:42:20,637 --> 00:42:27,099
The methodology at particular steps is what kind of changes, which is kind of why it's
fun.

668
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:32,181
You can have a real nice rigid structure and there's just a couple pieces that you move
around.

669
00:42:32,181 --> 00:42:33,921
So, you know,

670
00:42:33,921 --> 00:42:35,723
The containment never really changes.

671
00:42:35,723 --> 00:42:40,866
You have to contain whatever space you need to keep the mold in and keep the good stuff
out.

672
00:42:41,027 --> 00:42:46,412
Every now and then you do a whole property and maybe you don't have to worry about
containment so much, but that's pretty rare.

673
00:42:46,412 --> 00:42:48,954
You know, the mechanical controls don't really change.

674
00:42:48,954 --> 00:42:50,144
You need your air scrubbers.

675
00:42:50,144 --> 00:42:53,778
need, you know, sometimes you need drying, sometimes you need dehumidification.

676
00:42:53,778 --> 00:42:57,000
It just depends, but your mechanical controls stay the same.

677
00:42:57,001 --> 00:43:01,124
Your spraying of your detergent doesn't really change.

678
00:43:01,124 --> 00:43:03,585
your wiping doesn't change, your HEPA vacuuming doesn't change.

679
00:43:03,585 --> 00:43:13,291
Really what changes is you need some form of abrasive removal at some point of this
structure.

680
00:43:13,291 --> 00:43:17,133
And so that's where the big difference has happened.

681
00:43:17,133 --> 00:43:19,314
Hey, is this like pretty easy?

682
00:43:19,314 --> 00:43:21,735
Do we need just a wire brush on top of this stud?

683
00:43:21,735 --> 00:43:23,636
Cool, we'll use a wire brush.

684
00:43:23,636 --> 00:43:26,658
Or hey, do we need to break out a hand sander on this one?

685
00:43:26,658 --> 00:43:28,279
Okay, cool, we'll break out the hand sander.

686
00:43:28,279 --> 00:43:31,024
Or hey, we could hand sand this.

687
00:43:31,024 --> 00:43:32,566
but it's 6,000 square feet.

688
00:43:32,566 --> 00:43:38,534
So unless we're gonna be here for three weeks straight hand sanding, it doesn't make a lot
of sense.

689
00:43:38,534 --> 00:43:40,967
Okay, well now we'll break out the soda blaster.

690
00:43:40,967 --> 00:43:46,391
yeah, so that's what everyone's making all the noise about.

691
00:43:46,391 --> 00:43:49,458
Is that, that's not like just, what is it, the RMR 141 or?

692
00:43:50,232 --> 00:43:52,101
No, this is baking soda, man.

693
00:43:52,101 --> 00:43:58,905
so we have a hundred pound canister that we fill with baking soda and it's just Arm and
Hammer baking soda.

694
00:43:58,905 --> 00:44:00,275
It's nothing special.

695
00:44:00,315 --> 00:44:05,938
And then it gets hooked up to one of the largest compressors that I've ever seen in my
entire life.

696
00:44:05,938 --> 00:44:08,820
ah It's not that it's crazy PSI.

697
00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:11,101
You need about 20 CFM for it.

698
00:44:11,101 --> 00:44:13,582
So it has to turn over real fast.

699
00:44:13,582 --> 00:44:21,920
And basically you've got an extruder on the other end and you open the valves and it
blasts this baking soda out at a crazy rate of knots.

700
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,371
and it basically acts as your abrasive method.

701
00:44:24,371 --> 00:44:29,654
So it's doing a light sanding on the top of the wood in this particular case.

702
00:44:29,654 --> 00:44:33,910
at the same, know, baking soda, not crazy, but it has a little bit of sanitizing quality
to it.

703
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:42,111
You know, we're not going to rely on that, but this allows us to cover tremendous square
footage at a much faster rate than if we were trying to hand sand.

704
00:44:42,111 --> 00:44:44,622
You know, some methods we don't need to sand.

705
00:44:44,622 --> 00:44:49,295
We can simply wipe it down and that is enough abrasive methods.

706
00:44:49,295 --> 00:44:51,786
So, you know, after that,

707
00:44:52,046 --> 00:44:53,197
process remains the same.

708
00:44:53,197 --> 00:44:56,866
We have a vacuum, we wipe, we treat, we have a vacuum again.

709
00:44:56,866 --> 00:45:01,171
I mean, our life revolves with a backpack vacuum on most of the time.

710
00:45:01,171 --> 00:45:09,927
ah And that's kind of the, you know, the unattractive part of remediation, like the kind
of nuts and bolts of it that are really important.

711
00:45:09,927 --> 00:45:12,558
It's mostly vacuuming and wiping down.

712
00:45:12,581 --> 00:45:18,590
Well, I mean, that's like, you know, we can make home inspection look sexy, but man, I
mean, it is what it is, right?

713
00:45:18,651 --> 00:45:20,012
Exactly.

714
00:45:20,814 --> 00:45:24,100
But, but I mean, like, I'm just going to go straight for it.

715
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:25,631
That sounds expensive.

716
00:45:26,472 --> 00:45:30,913
It can be, but again, it depends on how you price, I think.

717
00:45:31,093 --> 00:45:34,374
For us, our pricing method is based off square footage.

718
00:45:34,414 --> 00:45:36,735
So it doesn't have to be.

719
00:45:36,735 --> 00:45:45,517
um Again, we're probably not gonna break out the Soda Blaster unless it's pretty
significant and it's over a large square footage.

720
00:45:45,697 --> 00:45:48,238
If it's a room, it probably doesn't make sense.

721
00:45:48,238 --> 00:45:51,019
And it would be too expensive at that point.

722
00:45:51,019 --> 00:45:53,549
um It just wouldn't make sense.

723
00:45:53,549 --> 00:45:55,840
Like we could just do this for half the price.

724
00:45:56,255 --> 00:45:57,968
with a little bit of elbow grease, you know?

725
00:45:57,968 --> 00:46:00,542
And so just wouldn't make sense.

726
00:46:00,542 --> 00:46:07,883
So I think the problem would have to be significant enough where it would be a certain
price point no matter what um to get that soda blaster out.

727
00:46:07,883 --> 00:46:09,985
But it's fun when we get to get it out.

728
00:46:09,985 --> 00:46:12,032
It sure makes a video.

729
00:46:12,032 --> 00:46:16,974
So after you flashed it, you vacuum it, you treat it with something or spray it with
something.

730
00:46:16,981 --> 00:46:17,642
We do, yeah.

731
00:46:17,642 --> 00:46:23,542
So we treat with, I mean, a really basic house cleaning product first, which is Simple
Green.

732
00:46:23,542 --> 00:46:24,824
Pretty much available everywhere.

733
00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:26,723
It's the cheapest product.

734
00:46:26,723 --> 00:46:28,087
more moisture?

735
00:46:28,373 --> 00:46:30,284
So it is, but it's temporary.

736
00:46:30,344 --> 00:46:40,988
So um it's a pretty light spray, and really we're using it as a surfactant to help lift
grime and dirt and debris off of, usually it's a wooden surface, right?

737
00:46:40,988 --> 00:46:44,890
We wouldn't need to bother if it was granite or something, we can just simply wipe that
down.

738
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:49,932
um So it does introduce temporary moisture, but it gets dried out pretty quickly.

739
00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:55,995
And most of the instructions on the bottles that we use for the chemicals, it'll say, hey,
it's gonna be wet for 10 minutes.

740
00:46:55,995 --> 00:46:57,195
That's about it.

741
00:46:57,675 --> 00:46:59,496
ah So yeah, we'd simple green.

742
00:46:59,496 --> 00:47:02,338
We spray that down to help lift everything off the wood.

743
00:47:02,338 --> 00:47:09,302
Then we would go into using our abrasive method, whether it be a sander, uh you know, the
soda blaster or what have you.

744
00:47:09,302 --> 00:47:11,473
And then we start the HEPA vacuuming after that.

745
00:47:11,473 --> 00:47:18,077
Now I will say the soda blasting, it is a lot more cleanup because there's a lot of baking
soda that comes out of there.

746
00:47:18,077 --> 00:47:23,550
I mean, our last project, I think we used about 110 pounds on that product.

747
00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:25,461
you know, you're, yeah.

748
00:47:25,461 --> 00:47:28,218
Do you like clear out the shelf at Publix or what?

749
00:47:28,218 --> 00:47:29,267
man, yeah.

750
00:47:29,548 --> 00:47:31,550
ironically, Harbor Freight.

751
00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:37,220
They have 50 pound bags at Harbor Freight and it's like a dollar a pound.

752
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:38,180
It's great.

753
00:47:38,705 --> 00:47:42,245
Wow, that's the, yeah, that's bad.

754
00:47:42,489 --> 00:47:43,270
Well, that's interesting.

755
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:44,411
So is there anything after that?

756
00:47:44,411 --> 00:47:50,749
Like, there any, after you've done that, there, because I feel like I've heard of peroxide
or something, like what?

757
00:47:50,749 --> 00:47:59,266
Yeah, so we try as hard as we can to remain as basic and as sort of health conscious as
possible.

758
00:47:59,266 --> 00:48:08,163
Like there's a lot of guys that put some really nasty stuff in foggers and they just spray
everything and uh it's really abrasive.

759
00:48:08,163 --> 00:48:10,355
um We like to use the simple stuff.

760
00:48:10,355 --> 00:48:12,227
So we use simple green, which is super easy.

761
00:48:12,227 --> 00:48:16,050
um We then do our abrasive, our HEPA vacuuming.

762
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:20,165
We do use one product, is, it's called Aftershock.

763
00:48:20,165 --> 00:48:22,746
It's a hospital grade disinfectant.

764
00:48:22,746 --> 00:48:27,449
So we will treat the wood with that two to three times depending on the situation.

765
00:48:27,469 --> 00:48:30,711
And we like to use the hydrogen peroxide in the fogging machine.

766
00:48:30,711 --> 00:48:32,252
So we basically aerosol.

767
00:48:32,252 --> 00:48:37,674
And why I particularly like that one, it's just a great, it's a great sanitizing agent.

768
00:48:37,674 --> 00:48:41,477
um The fogging makes it pretty heavy.

769
00:48:41,477 --> 00:48:44,268
And so it can weigh some things down, get them down to the floor.

770
00:48:44,268 --> 00:48:49,001
We can then vacuum things up easier than, we can't walk around with the vacuum trying to
get everything out of the air.

771
00:48:49,001 --> 00:48:49,873
um

772
00:48:49,873 --> 00:48:58,008
But what I really like about it is after 20 to 30 minutes, all the molecules just separate
and there's nothing left.

773
00:48:58,008 --> 00:49:00,089
So there's no residue left over.

774
00:49:00,089 --> 00:49:06,953
So we do the fogging as like the last stage and we feel totally comfortable doing that in
someone's living room.

775
00:49:06,953 --> 00:49:10,655
Even if it's just, we're gonna fog our way out of our remediation space.

776
00:49:10,655 --> 00:49:12,416
I feel totally comfortable doing that.

777
00:49:12,416 --> 00:49:18,219
You know, we tell people like, hey, know, take a walk for 20 minutes because it can
irritate your eyes or what have you while it's still heavy.

778
00:49:18,875 --> 00:49:24,373
But it's just, it's a great product for this application because it just evaporates and
you're left with nothing.

779
00:49:24,373 --> 00:49:26,699
So you don't have cleanup afterwards, which is great.

780
00:49:27,243 --> 00:49:28,133
Now that's awesome.

781
00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:38,918
Now dude, we talked about species of mold earlier and you've talked about how different
degrees of mold abatement needs are going to determine what you're using.

782
00:49:38,918 --> 00:49:45,200
But when it comes to chemical, do you vary your chemical uses based on the species like
whatever comes back in the test?

783
00:49:46,121 --> 00:49:46,931
Okay.

784
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:59,327
What comes back in the test, we try to understand mycology enough to, because let's say we
walk into a room, walk in totally blind, which we would never usually do because, you

785
00:49:59,327 --> 00:50:02,879
know, a lot of companies will take an air test with no context whatsoever.

786
00:50:02,879 --> 00:50:04,190
And it's like, OK, you got mold.

787
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:05,390
But then what?

788
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:06,090
Where is it?

789
00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:07,451
Why is it there?

790
00:50:07,471 --> 00:50:08,832
Why could it be there?

791
00:50:08,832 --> 00:50:09,612
You know, where is it?

792
00:50:09,612 --> 00:50:11,173
There's just not enough context.

793
00:50:11,173 --> 00:50:14,855
So that's why if we're going to go in and do an inspection for mold.

794
00:50:14,929 --> 00:50:18,781
we're going to do a full property assessment with testing.

795
00:50:18,781 --> 00:50:20,712
It to have to be in conjunction with each other.

796
00:50:20,712 --> 00:50:22,623
Otherwise you can just have false negatives.

797
00:50:22,623 --> 00:50:32,569
Um, you know, little side story, but I went into a property after the hurricanes in 2024
when everybody's houses flooded and, it was insane.

798
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:42,615
I was there probably seven weeks after the flood and I put an air quality test right in
the middle of this guy's living room came back totally clear.

799
00:50:43,077 --> 00:50:47,437
But I had water, it hadn't been touched, it hadn't been flood cut, nothing.

800
00:50:47,437 --> 00:50:53,237
It was just things were still being held behind the drywall and it wasn't just readily
accessible in the air.

801
00:50:53,237 --> 00:50:58,157
So without the property context, we could have walked right out and said, nope, you got no
mold, no problem.

802
00:50:58,157 --> 00:51:00,777
So you have to have the context, otherwise it's just silly.

803
00:51:00,777 --> 00:51:08,257
So then once we get those tests, we try really hard to understand the mycology behind
these different things.

804
00:51:08,257 --> 00:51:13,100
Hey, well, this particular genus of mold, where does it like to live?

805
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:15,141
What temperatures does it like?

806
00:51:15,222 --> 00:51:17,103
How much moisture does it need to grow?

807
00:51:17,103 --> 00:51:21,196
Because really what we need to do is solve the root cause of the problem.

808
00:51:21,196 --> 00:51:25,209
If it's a humidity problem, okay, well, let's start looking for air leakage.

809
00:51:25,209 --> 00:51:27,470
Let's go to the air handler system.

810
00:51:27,571 --> 00:51:28,972
Is it functioning properly?

811
00:51:28,972 --> 00:51:31,653
This is something not a lot of people know.

812
00:51:31,660 --> 00:51:36,617
A lot of people will leave the fan running on their AC unit all day long.

813
00:51:36,617 --> 00:51:40,860
That will increase your humidity like crazy and you will have a mold problem.

814
00:51:41,423 --> 00:51:44,400
It will get over 60 % real fast.

815
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:53,417
is uh region specific, but if you are in, uh we are in climate zone 2A and that is a hot
and humid climate.

816
00:51:53,417 --> 00:51:55,428
There are three spots in the U.S.

817
00:51:55,428 --> 00:51:58,360
that are more hot and humid than the areas that me and Jordan are in.

818
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:04,165
And it's the most southern tip of Florida, the most southern tip of Texas and Hawaii.

819
00:52:04,165 --> 00:52:04,765
Okay.

820
00:52:04,765 --> 00:52:06,847
So we are hot and humid.

821
00:52:06,847 --> 00:52:10,161
And so it's all of 2A and just above it.

822
00:52:10,161 --> 00:52:19,159
um If you're in those areas, if you're in anything close to the south, do not put your fan
on on don't do that.

823
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:23,525
So is it better to just leave it on auto or to manually control it?

824
00:52:23,525 --> 00:52:24,671
Leave it on auto, yeah, okay.

825
00:52:24,671 --> 00:52:25,631
is great.

826
00:52:25,871 --> 00:52:28,711
You know, unfortunately, one of our first remediation jobs was just that.

827
00:52:28,711 --> 00:52:30,571
And it wasn't actually their fault.

828
00:52:30,571 --> 00:52:34,231
They didn't have an incorrect setting.

829
00:52:34,951 --> 00:52:37,691
A part of their blower motor had broken.

830
00:52:37,911 --> 00:52:48,831
And so they did everything right, but this little tiny switch broke and all of a sudden
they've got 68 % humidity in one part of their house and it caused problems.

831
00:52:48,831 --> 00:52:52,834
All you need then is a little bit of air that's directed the wrong way.

832
00:52:52,834 --> 00:53:02,034
In this case, the louvers for their AC registers were pointed at the ceiling instead of
pointing down, and that small temperature change created dew point and all of a sudden

833
00:53:02,034 --> 00:53:05,207
they had mold just because of the excess humidity.

834
00:53:05,207 --> 00:53:05,817
Yeah.

835
00:53:05,817 --> 00:53:07,848
Well, I mean, you mentioned the hurricanes, man.

836
00:53:07,848 --> 00:53:14,671
And I, I did my fair share of damage assessments on houses.

837
00:53:14,671 --> 00:53:16,842
I mean, I took a report template.

838
00:53:16,842 --> 00:53:18,180
I was doing these for free for people.

839
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:19,864
I'm not patting myself on the back.

840
00:53:19,864 --> 00:53:21,995
There were several inspectors that were doing this down there.

841
00:53:21,995 --> 00:53:26,067
Um, but I, wasn't just a normal inspection report.

842
00:53:26,067 --> 00:53:29,308
It was literally like a damage assessment, storm damage assessment.

843
00:53:29,308 --> 00:53:31,231
Um, but man, like

844
00:53:31,231 --> 00:53:34,875
Last time I was down driving up 275 in St.

845
00:53:34,875 --> 00:53:40,011
Pete, you could still see the piles of debris that are stored from that storm.

846
00:53:40,011 --> 00:53:42,333
Like, it's nuts.

847
00:53:42,421 --> 00:53:47,346
on the barrier islands and even now it's just not the same.

848
00:53:47,346 --> 00:53:57,337
You drive down there and a lot of the businesses, a lot of the big ones are open, a lot of
the big hotels are open, but some of these smaller places, they just couldn't.

849
00:53:57,337 --> 00:54:01,881
The storms are really why we got into remediation in the first place, because we were
doing the same thing.

850
00:54:01,881 --> 00:54:02,602
about.

851
00:54:02,602 --> 00:54:11,044
Like, so we're in a, a, El Nino year this year, which historically means lower hurricane
probability for Florida.

852
00:54:11,044 --> 00:54:16,375
So inspectors, it's good to always be thinking ahead about what's your next thing, right?

853
00:54:16,375 --> 00:54:20,786
If what's your next pivot plan, what are you going to do to reinvest money from your
company?

854
00:54:21,187 --> 00:54:22,797
Say you're killing it with inspections this year.

855
00:54:22,797 --> 00:54:24,117
You finally got your book of business.

856
00:54:24,117 --> 00:54:24,697
It's rolling.

857
00:54:24,697 --> 00:54:26,118
You're making the best money you've ever made.

858
00:54:26,118 --> 00:54:26,848
What do you do with it?

859
00:54:26,848 --> 00:54:27,658
You don't just enjoy it.

860
00:54:27,658 --> 00:54:28,969
You don't go to Disney world.

861
00:54:28,969 --> 00:54:29,609
Okay.

862
00:54:29,609 --> 00:54:30,839
If you want.

863
00:54:30,839 --> 00:54:32,679
to get ahead of the game, right?

864
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,690
El Nino always swings to La Nina the next year.

865
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:38,771
And we know if it's like last year, we lucked out in Florida.

866
00:54:38,771 --> 00:54:40,692
We didn't have any crazy storms hitting.

867
00:54:40,692 --> 00:54:45,653
ah We might, maybe God willing, get that again this year.

868
00:54:45,653 --> 00:54:50,794
But that means this is the best year for you to go ahead and get your certification if
you're in Florida.

869
00:54:50,794 --> 00:54:57,896
ah So that you can be doing the same thing that you and Ryan and everybody are doing with
Hello Home and CXR.

870
00:54:57,896 --> 00:55:00,517
I mean, think ahead because it's...

871
00:55:00,965 --> 00:55:10,021
It's happened before it's freaking Florida man is gonna happen again, and it's not just
Florida I mean it happens in Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas if you're around the

872
00:55:10,021 --> 00:55:13,413
Gulf thinking think ahead so

873
00:55:13,984 --> 00:55:15,805
It'll get you eventually.

874
00:55:15,805 --> 00:55:20,526
Anybody who's lived in any of the Gulf states for long enough, it happens.

875
00:55:20,526 --> 00:55:23,427
I've been in Florida since I was five.

876
00:55:23,427 --> 00:55:25,088
I've been through my fair share.

877
00:55:25,088 --> 00:55:26,088
We went through 05.

878
00:55:26,088 --> 00:55:29,419
I know you're from kind of west coast Florida.

879
00:55:29,419 --> 00:55:30,370
You probably remember 05.

880
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:32,270
It was like three in two weeks.

881
00:55:32,511 --> 00:55:33,371
It happens.

882
00:55:33,371 --> 00:55:37,175
So if you're here long enough, one will come your way.

883
00:55:37,175 --> 00:55:40,097
Well, it's, it's not a matter of being opportunistic either.

884
00:55:40,097 --> 00:55:45,258
It's about, again, the whole point of providing a service is to benefit the person that
we're providing service to.

885
00:55:45,258 --> 00:55:47,771
In this case, home buyers is why we got into it.

886
00:55:47,771 --> 00:55:51,533
And it's the same attitude with whatever ancillary service you get into after that.

887
00:55:51,533 --> 00:55:54,134
I was here a total of one week.

888
00:55:54,134 --> 00:55:58,136
I traded hurricanes for tornadoes moving to, to Nashville.

889
00:55:58,137 --> 00:56:01,859
And this Venezuelan guy was buying a credenza off of me.

890
00:56:01,859 --> 00:56:06,821
And, uh, and he was like, dude, you need to get your tornado, GC.

891
00:56:06,933 --> 00:56:07,513
license.

892
00:56:07,513 --> 00:56:09,184
I was like, seriously, that's the thing here.

893
00:56:09,184 --> 00:56:10,515
He's like, yeah.

894
00:56:10,515 --> 00:56:16,717
And uh he's like, look, you just, you go in when there's a tornado damage that that's
occurred on a property.

895
00:56:16,717 --> 00:56:24,710
Um, you under quote the big guys that are going to come through and over quote, and you
have Pablo and Jose come out and do the work.

896
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:26,851
And I'm like, I don't really know Pablo and Jose.

897
00:56:26,851 --> 00:56:28,462
And he goes, I do.

898
00:56:29,002 --> 00:56:31,473
You know, it's just, the work is always going to be there.

899
00:56:31,473 --> 00:56:35,735
Know your area and you know, it's fine ways that you can be

900
00:56:35,735 --> 00:56:38,756
tacking onto your existing skill set, you know.

901
00:56:39,889 --> 00:56:51,449
So I yeah, I think there's a couple of things that I want to like just mention before we
wrap things up and one of them is You know a phrase that Matt rising or likes to use a lot

902
00:56:51,449 --> 00:56:55,669
is If it can't dry it will die.

903
00:56:55,669 --> 00:56:57,369
I can't remember whose quote that is.

904
00:56:57,369 --> 00:57:07,429
It's not his but he uses that one a lot you know, the drying ability of a structure has to
be greater than the wedding and And as long as something can dry

905
00:57:07,429 --> 00:57:08,269
we won't have a problem.

906
00:57:08,269 --> 00:57:15,486
And there's a lot of these builders like the one I was speaking about earlier in the
Pacific Northwest, like probably several of the ones that you, cause I know that you deal

907
00:57:15,486 --> 00:57:17,737
with some high end builders down there and we definitely do here.

908
00:57:17,737 --> 00:57:25,994
There's several of them that I have a lot of confidence can build a, an airtight and, and
a, and a, and an assembly that is watertight.

909
00:57:25,994 --> 00:57:37,135
Everything always has some amount of risk, but I mean, you know, I do have confidence in
some, but what I don't have confidence in really is the uh production builders.

910
00:57:37,135 --> 00:57:47,561
and the people that I've seen that and the way they're putting these houses together that
I expect the most of, I don't really have confidence that they are working hard to build

911
00:57:47,561 --> 00:57:50,853
that airtight and that uh watertight assembly.

912
00:57:50,853 --> 00:57:51,644
I've seen it.

913
00:57:51,644 --> 00:57:57,417
I've seen how poor of a job they're doing installing flashing or not installing flashing.

914
00:57:57,417 --> 00:58:00,199
uh I've seen how these things were not sealed.

915
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:00,899
I've seen it.

916
00:58:00,899 --> 00:58:01,900
I've witnessed it.

917
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:03,663
So I don't have that confidence.

918
00:58:03,663 --> 00:58:10,995
And so if you're the Calabra builder that is going to dot every I and cross every T, you
probably are at less risk with this stuff.

919
00:58:10,995 --> 00:58:16,357
But, but most of the builders out there, most homes are not being built to that
specification.

920
00:58:16,357 --> 00:58:29,861
And, the other thing that I want to say on, in regards to that, and even with the builders
that are doing things right, is that whether or not this stuff is a problem, there is only

921
00:58:29,861 --> 00:58:31,541
one time to take care of

922
00:58:32,475 --> 00:58:37,326
We can argue about this right now and say, I think it's a problem.

923
00:58:37,326 --> 00:58:38,647
You don't think it's a problem.

924
00:58:38,647 --> 00:58:39,497
Should we do something?

925
00:58:39,497 --> 00:58:39,947
Should we not?

926
00:58:39,947 --> 00:58:41,187
We can do that.

927
00:58:41,408 --> 00:58:50,130
But if you put up those walls and it does become a problem, it is going to be a much, much
bigger problem than it is right now.

928
00:58:50,130 --> 00:58:52,911
And there is only one time to do this right.

929
00:58:52,911 --> 00:58:57,212
There is look, you mentioned it, Brad, you've mentioned it.

930
00:58:57,212 --> 00:58:58,512
It's all remedial.

931
00:58:58,512 --> 00:59:00,093
You can remediate all of it, right?

932
00:59:00,093 --> 00:59:01,423
It's all repairable.

933
00:59:01,423 --> 00:59:02,444
And I say it all the time.

934
00:59:02,444 --> 00:59:05,636
There's very few things that are wrong with the house that can't be repaired.

935
00:59:05,636 --> 00:59:06,637
Very few.

936
00:59:06,637 --> 00:59:16,604
And even this can, if you, if you get stuff growing in your walls and it happened because
if we could ever prove it, that it was because of lumber yard mold or whatever, you could

937
00:59:16,604 --> 00:59:21,988
pull all the walls down and you could then treat it everything, but you don't want to do
that.

938
00:59:21,988 --> 00:59:23,249
Okay.

939
00:59:23,249 --> 00:59:28,643
That, that, that is going to easily double, triple, quadruple the expense.

940
00:59:29,307 --> 00:59:31,229
There is one time to do this.

941
00:59:31,229 --> 00:59:36,205
You get one shot at making sure that you don't have mold when the walls go up.

942
00:59:36,205 --> 00:59:40,169
And so I just think that we need to start maybe considering some of that.

943
00:59:41,271 --> 00:59:42,463
Now that's huge.

944
00:59:42,463 --> 00:59:51,653
That's Jordan, what's one thing that you would give to new home buyers as advice if
they're if they're dealing with with mold in their property?

945
00:59:52,054 --> 00:59:55,726
Yeah, again, I think going back to it's solvable.

946
00:59:55,726 --> 00:59:59,387
You know, it is not it is not going to be the end of the world.

947
00:59:59,387 --> 01:00:07,491
It's going to be, you know, a blip on your radar for your whole life and your 30 years as
you're going to spend in that property.

948
01:00:07,691 --> 01:00:09,732
You know, it's going to be painful today.

949
01:00:09,732 --> 01:00:11,373
It's going to be stressful.

950
01:00:11,373 --> 01:00:17,856
But I think the right remediator and the right remediation team can really help to remove
that stress.

951
01:00:17,856 --> 01:00:18,626
So.

952
01:00:18,626 --> 01:00:25,263
Do your research, find the right person for you who's gonna care about you, not just like,
well yeah, we remediate it, see you later.

953
01:00:25,384 --> 01:00:31,251
Find the one that's gonna care about you, that's gonna hear you and understand your
problems and your concerns.

954
01:00:31,251 --> 01:00:34,935
But 10 years from now, you'll forget this ever happened.

955
01:00:34,935 --> 01:00:36,296
It's all solvable.

956
01:00:36,363 --> 01:00:37,575
Yeah, no, I hear that man.

957
01:00:37,575 --> 01:00:45,190
Well, this is a good opportunity for for you to to plug your company with with everybody
is down in the Bay Area of Florida.

958
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:47,103
So where can they find online?

959
01:00:47,208 --> 01:00:47,949
Yeah.

960
01:00:47,949 --> 01:00:49,909
CXRsolutions.com.

961
01:00:49,950 --> 01:00:55,233
have a great portal on there to ask questions, ask for service.

962
01:00:55,233 --> 01:01:03,278
And then on the fun side of things, CXR Underscore Solutions on Instagram, where you can
see the fun, but also the silly videos.

963
01:01:03,278 --> 01:01:08,862
ah We try to make it as educational as possible, but we try to make it a little
entertaining as well.

964
01:01:08,862 --> 01:01:11,664
But there you can see it in action.

965
01:01:11,664 --> 01:01:13,225
You can see the process.

966
01:01:13,225 --> 01:01:15,328
Hey, this is what the soda blasting is.

967
01:01:15,328 --> 01:01:20,698
this is why we're doing it, and then you can physically watch videos of us removing mold
from someone's house.

968
01:01:20,698 --> 01:01:22,805
And I think that speaks a lot of volumes.

969
01:01:22,805 --> 01:01:26,028
ah Yeah, and if we can help anybody, we'd love to.

970
01:01:26,028 --> 01:01:28,210
That's why we got into the business, we wanna help.

971
01:01:28,299 --> 01:01:31,851
Now love it dude and I feel like you can be a lot of help to a lot of home inspectors as
well.

972
01:01:31,851 --> 01:01:39,775
So as you and Ryan are friends of the show, we'll hook you guys up with a with a uh free
not a freehold trip.

973
01:01:39,775 --> 01:01:44,478
I can't give you that but I can at least give you a free registration to inspection fuel
if you want to come on out for that.

974
01:01:44,478 --> 01:01:48,680
And Louisville, Kentucky September 28 to the 30th guys sign up for that.

975
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,251
uh Matt any last words man?

976
01:01:51,377 --> 01:01:56,037
No, man, all I can really say is, man, it's really great to talk to you.

977
01:01:56,037 --> 01:02:00,237
You know, being friends for so long, we certainly don't get to do this very much.

978
01:02:00,237 --> 01:02:03,637
And so it's been really great having you on the show today and getting your perspective on
this stuff.

979
01:02:03,637 --> 01:02:04,854
So thank you so much.

980
01:02:04,854 --> 01:02:07,265
Thank you guys, been a real pleasure, I appreciate it.

981
01:02:07,265 --> 01:02:07,915
Definitely dude.

982
01:02:07,915 --> 01:02:10,347
Appreciate you being on here and taking the time tonight.

983
01:02:10,347 --> 01:02:12,057
And thank you guys everybody for watching.

984
01:02:12,057 --> 01:02:13,478
We hope to see all inspection fuel.

985
01:02:13,478 --> 01:02:14,369
Be sure to go register.

986
01:02:14,369 --> 01:02:18,231
got the link down in the show notes or in the bio wherever you're watching or listening.

987
01:02:18,231 --> 01:02:21,972
Be sure to subscribe and we'll see you here next time right on.

988
01:02:22,913 --> 01:02:24,052
You got it.