Ep. 55 - Don't get bent out of shape about PEX! Feat. Master Plumber Eric Aune of Mechanical Hub ​

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All right, Matt, remember that time that we went to a really cool house in the middle of
Austin with some really cool people and then did a really cool podcast there while we were

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at it.

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Yeah, what was that guy was praying?

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It was a person's name.

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I feel like it was like reasing recent what?

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Riesling?

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Rising or rising or?

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was it.

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What was his first name?

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Matt Matt?

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That was his name.

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the build show, dude, we got somebody else from the build show network on here today,
dude.

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I'm excited.

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You ready jump into it?

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Yep, heck yeah I am.

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All right, everybody, guys, this is going to be a really fun episode here on the show
because the last time that we did a show with somebody from the Build Show Network, we

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were in the Build Podcast Studio and we're doing this on good old good old Riverside here
today.

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But but seriously, this is going to be a excellent show, Matt, you want to tell them a
little bit about the guests we're going to have on here?

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Yes, yes.

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My friend Eric Aune from a plumbing and heating guy from up in uh the Minnesota area,
which is uh usually way different weather-wise.

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We were talking about the weather a few minutes ago.

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Usually way different weather-wise than what I'm dealing with down here, but right now
it's pretty much the same.

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But as far as I'm concerned, pretty much an expert in uh plumbing and heating.

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Mostly.

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Mostly, mostly plumbing.

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mean, I feel like I want to talk about that a little bit later, but I feel like a lot of
people look at you and say, you know, is, is how is this supposed to be done?

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Or they look to you to tell them how it's supposed to be done.

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So yeah, I'm looking forward to getting your take on some stuff today, Eric.

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Alright, I'm glad to be here.

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Thanks for having me, guys.

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Yeah, and just to kind of give your bona fides here a little bit to everybody listening,
you are a master plumber.

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Honestly, there's nothing you're not doing right now.

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I mean, you've got a podcast, the Make Trades Great Again podcast, you've built up the
Mechanical Hub social media, almost a million followers on all platforms, and you're on

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the Build Show Network.

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So we're excited to get down and talk with you here today.

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Definitely,

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Yeah, thanks so much.

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Yeah, no, we do a lot of podcasting, a lot of videos, putting stuff out all the time.

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It's just kind of the way it is in 2025, right?

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have to man.

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Absolutely.

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So that's now how long have you been doing doing your all of your content lines, man?

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I think I started on social media with my own plumbing, the Aune Plumbing and Heating
business probably 2009, 2008, somewhere around there, back when you couldn't post videos

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on any kind of format because they just didn't support them, except for YouTube, of
course, right?

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Well, and I actually totally missed the boat early on YouTube.

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I thought, oh, no, I'm not going to be any good at that.

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Boy, I do, wish I would have stuck with it.

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Started and stuck with it at the beginning.

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But yeah, we just put it out everywhere and it's just a lot of fun.

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That's fantastic, man.

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Now you guys do a great job with it.

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so for all of y'all listening, go follow them at Mechanical Hub.

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Go follow the whole Mechanical Hub series there.

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Eric, you guys are doing great work.

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But I love that you guys are so engaging with the audience too.

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And for everybody that's been following Matt, that's been following the ride along, ah
that's been following everything we've been putting out lately, we want to engage with you

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guys too.

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before we jump into the main discussion, we do want to encourage you guys.

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But, while you're at it, go follow at mechanical hub, go follow the build show network.

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And cause there's all kinds of just absolute

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for this industry and all related industries right there.

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But Eric, yeah, we want to talk all things plumbing with you today, just because you've
gotten to work with the Risinger build.

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You've on deck there.

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And so we're excited to talk with you about everything from that to Pex plumbing, because
we've gotten comments before about, we had one episode where an inspector was, he's kind

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of from the old guard and he was pushing back a little bit on Pex plumbing, finding it to
be a little bit troublesome, but we want to get your take because we had some hot takes in

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the comments on that episode.

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And another thing we, gosh, we ran into the water heater, the heat pump water heater at
the Rysinger build.

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We honestly didn't even feature it just because we're like, I don't think we know enough
about this thing to even talk about it.

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So we want to get your take on that too, man.

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That's news to us.

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and the PEX thing, man, I mean, like, think to, kind of like kick this thing off, like
it's been compared to, and I'd really like to hear what you had to say about this to the

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next poly butylene.

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Okay.

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So like, like, mean, you know, what are your thoughts there when people say something like
that?

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What is, what does that do?

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Does it make the hair on the back of your neck stand up?

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Do you agree with that?

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Do you not agree with it?

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What's going on?

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I don't know uh if you can agree with it.

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I think if you just look at it pragmatically and you look like we're not having failures
with PEX like they had with Polybutylene.

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The industry, the manufacturing industry, learned a lot from that whole debacle.

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And it was terrible.

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It was terrible, terrible, terrible.

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But I wouldn't say PEX is the next Polybutylene yet.

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Now, I want to say a couple of things.

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Let's just qualify.

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So everybody listening.

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I don't want you to be skeptical.

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Who's this guy?

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he like pushing pecs?

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Is he pushing copper?

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I install both all the time.

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I do a lot of hydronic heating systems.

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What that means, I do a lot of boiler systems.

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We heat houses, buildings all the time with hot water and we cool them with chilled water.

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We do that with combinations of different piping systems.

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We do a ton of potable water or for my Canadian friends, potable water with both copper
and pecs tubing.

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And let's face it, the nation right now, the entire North America and pretty much every
other country as well is plumbing most systems, the majority, as in pretty much all of

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them, in PEX tubing.

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And the reason why is because we've got a huge labor shortage.

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And so if you can do jobs faster, you can get more jobs done or you can keep up with the
work you have and the demand.

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And also it's more profitable because you're doing you can install a lot more pipe in.

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same amount of time versus, let's say, copper.

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So there you go.

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My background is I have for over 25 years installed both types of piping systems.

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guess packs really didn't become popular until, let's say, 2005, kind of beyond.

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So yeah, so about 20 years of that.

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But I've been a plumber since I started my apprenticeship in 1998.

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So there you go.

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It's a long time.

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I use both systems currently.

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Um, Matt, you and I were talking the other day, you're like, well, what would you have in
your house or what?

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If you built a house tomorrow, what would you put in it?

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I'll be honest with you, the house that's a hundred feet away from me, from my shop that
I'm sitting in right now, it's got copper in it.

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And I built that house in 2002.

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Um, but at the time we were really in our market.

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What we saw a lot of was CPVC, not pecs at that little snapshot in time.

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And I certainly wasn't going to go with that CPVC product.

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That's, have a bias against it.

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Uh, so I went with copper.

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Am I glad I did?

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Probably.

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I mean, we know that copper's going to last forever.

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So I don't know if it's the next polybutylene that still remains to be seen.

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We don't have any class action lawsuits over current products, at least in the last
decade.

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Are there problems with it?

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I think there's problems with different applications.

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And when I say applications, we know that there can be issues with PEX tubing in attic
spaces.

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They get that super high temperature uh environment.

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uh

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we that can cause problems with all types of packs, not just one in particular, any kind
of it.

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So we maybe got to rethink how we're plumbing houses that don't have basements, right?

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Or unless you're going to go, yeah, or subslab, right?

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You could go subslab and be with packs and be just fine here and not in that 140 degree
environment, things like that.

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The other thing too, is we know that copper can handle those temperatures.

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But if you don't install copper,

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Let's just face it and be true here.

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If you install copper wrong, you don't install it correctly, it can have failures too.

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I mean, the problem is happening at the connections, right?

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I mean, that's what's happening with with PECS too, right?

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I mean, like even with this heat driven problems, I'm not really seeing that here, believe
it or not.

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I mean, at least not that I know of, but I mean, that's usually the problems happen at the
connection points.

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Am I right about that?

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I think connections, like some of the fitting systems for a little while years ago, we had
this problem with our brass that was being brought in and imported into the US.

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And they had a problem with what was called de-zincification.

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So the zinc inside of the brass uh is a, um what's the alloy, right?

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So it's multiple different types of metals blended together.

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It's copper, it's uh tin antimony and zinc.

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And there's a few different things that are in it, right?

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The problem was water quality was pulling that zinc out, and the fittings were failing.

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OK, that's a problem.

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So that's a fitting problem.

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Then the joints and stuff.

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So there's different types of pecs.

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There's pecs that you crimp, which probably most people are familiar with.

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There's pecs that you actually expand in diameter to fit over.

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You fit over a fitting that's a little bit larger than the tubing itself, that kind of
stuff.

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And so if you're not using the right tooling or you're not installing it in the right
conditions, that can cause problems.

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just like anything, just like if you don't ream the cut end of your copper, it causes
turbulence and it can actually wear a hole through the side of the pipe.

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So.

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That's kind what I was getting at.

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you know, the problems were the connections.

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if the connections are bad, like depending on how you install this stuff can be, you know,
lot of the factors to whether or not they fail.

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I mean, like in talking about that, like you do a lot of press fittings too, right?

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Like, how do you, how do you feel about that stuff as compared to, I mean, I'm, these
events, right.

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is a hill I will die on.

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I'll tell you what.

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I'm very much a I love the science behind everything that we do in the trades.

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think if it's something I'm going to be involved in, I want to learn as much as I can
about it.

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And so you learn about things like flow velocity and turbulence and the proper prep and
prepare and put together of any type of system is super important.

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You have to know what your system's going to be used for.

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But if we're just talking like residential plumbing, there's some very basics that anybody
can follow.

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And I can teach you everything you need to know within a couple days of being on the job.

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And you can repeat those tasks over and over, and they don't take any real special tools.

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Now, pressing, some people don't like it because they look like early on, plumbers hated
it.

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They're like, my gosh, anybody could do that.

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You could teach a monkey to pull a trigger.

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And I'm like, well, that is a

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That is an accurate statement.

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would imagine I'm not into training monkeys, but I think you could teach a monkey how to
pull trigger on a power tool.

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And I wouldn't want them to do it.

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And here's why.

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Because I, as a master plumber, license, and anybody that works under me and I've worked
alongside, have to know exactly how to install that pipe exactly the right way.

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It has to be sized properly, supported properly.

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It has to be the right piping for what you're using it for, right?

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And I don't think monkeys are going to do that.

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So we got some qualifications in order to get to the point where we're pulling triggers.

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But the fact of the matter is I can do it.

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I've been doing this a long time.

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And I'm not inhaling fumes.

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I'm not starting places on fire or nearly starting them on fire.

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Because I've actually seen buildings burn down from plumber's torches.

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And honestly, right here in Minnesota, it's happened.

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my career, I've seen it.

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ah But I mean, that's rare.

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That's rare.

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But you're not going to burn a building down by pulling a trigger on a hydraulic tool,
right?

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So like,

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I love press stuff because it's efficient, it's fast, it's clean.

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I'm not putting anybody's property at risk.

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And I'm not also cutting down on the wear and tear of my body.

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And by the way, it lasts forever.

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It lasts as long as we need it to last.

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I don't know how long we need copper piping systems to last.

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I'll be honest with you.

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I think that if they last 50 years, that's probably long enough.

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need a job to replace.

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I need plumbers to paid to replace this stuff in the future.

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ah So that's like the big argument against it you kind of see where I'm going with that
there.

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But uh I love pressing stuff, but back to the pecs real quick.

223
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There are some, I don't think 50 years is planned obsolescence.

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Let's be honest.

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Like, are you buying a car thinking it's going to last 50 years?

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You know what I mean?

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Toyota guys do that though.

228
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Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get 500,000 miles out of this thing.

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No, you're not.

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know.

231
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We are Toyota family.

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Dang, I'm stepping on a lot of cracks here.

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The Pecs thing, I hope I'm not dominating the conversation here.

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But the Pecs thing, well, I want to acknowledge a couple of things too, because there's a
lot of people listening to this.

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they might think of some scenarios they might have heard of, read about, seen on their own
jobs where Pecs was failing that wasn't at the joint.

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And there's a few manufacturers out there that are very upfront and they say, look, ah we
have some scenarios where our pipe might not be the best fit.

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And it tends to be like hot water with chlorination and like recirculation, like a lot of
moving water.

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So like, I know, for example, one of the major manufacturers had some failures on pipe and
it was pretty bad.

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It was bad for them, it was bad for the industry.

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And what it was is it was like the recirculating line on the hot side of things.

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with chlorinated water, because it was municipal, that kind of stuff.

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And it turned out their pipe was fine for the first five, six years.

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And then year six, seven, somewhere around there, they started having failures.

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Not everything's perfect.

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I will say, like I have many times, you can have failures on every piping system, though.

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Honestly, if you're not applying it right, or you have to know going into it, look, this
does have a less of a lifespan expectancy because of how we're using it, that kind of

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thing.

248
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So it all comes down to kind of to most of the failures are going to be due to operator
failure more than anything.

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Installation is probably the first failure that we see.

250
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ah Installation error, like the installer error.

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And then application.

252
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Honestly, ah just because it holds water and you can install it in a wall doesn't mean
it's the right one.

253
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You know what I mean?

254
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Just like I can install the wrong breaker in my panel and everything's going to work until
it doesn't.

255
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You know what I mean?

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So I wonder then does some of the pushback and this isn't to be a just in any way, but
does some of the pushback kind of come from the old guard towards new materials in the

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same way that home inspectors, you still got a bunch of the guys out here that run around
with point and shoot cameras and iPads or notepads as opposed to, you know, using an app

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or they refuse to do video or things like that because you know, there's risk involved.

259
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Yeah.

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Is there, is that some of it or

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say absolutely.

262
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I'd also say just kind of on like, let's keep everything in perspective here.

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You do have some old timers.

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Let's call them old timers.

265
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You know, the older uh generation.

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Yeah, they had seen failures in systems.

267
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So maybe they're skeptical, right?

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So like you, I'm working still around people that are in this trade.

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They're probably close to retirement age or retiring now.

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that worked through the whole polybutylene debacle in the 80s.

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Most of those guys and gals that were working at that time are at least at retirement age
or close.

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But if they're skeptical of it, it's usually based off of personal experience.

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They've seen problems.

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Or they have no experience with it.

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That's what I see.

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That's what I think I see most when I first started my social media stuff.

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So I was putting videos out there, press and copper.

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putting in new technology heat pump water eaters and modulating condensing appliances like
boilers and furnaces, stuff like, my gosh, that stuff is junk because the stuff we've had

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forever is so much better.

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It works.

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And while they're maybe not wrong, well, they're wrong about the junk part, but maybe
they're not wrong about what they have been installing.

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It's fine.

283
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It's usually because they have no experience with something new.

284
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It's so easy to say,

285
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you know, just to make assumptions and say, that's junk.

286
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If you've had no firsthand hands-on experience with something that's my take, that's,
think just society in general is kind of knee jerk reaction.

287
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No, I definitely could.

288
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that these guys, these older guys, probably just there's a little bit of poly butylene
like PTSD towards any type of poly pipe, you know, I mean, because that was we do, you

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know.

290
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Yeah, no.

291
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I credit them.

292
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I acknowledge that.

293
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I do.

294
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I acknowledge that if you've had experience with something and you've seen it fail, and
you can properly assess it and say, hey, we did everything right.

295
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We did it the way they said we were supposed to do it.

296
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If you did that and it failed, then I'll totally listen to you.

297
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If you've never touched it and you try to tell me I'm doing it wrong or that's junk, I'm
probably not going to.

298
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have a lot of respect for what you're saying until maybe we can have a conversation about
it.

299
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There's some pushback that comes on home inspectors just for that very thing.

300
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It's like, you just go around and look at houses.

301
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You've not installed a dad gum thing, you know?

302
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So who are you to actually criticize this or this or, you know?

303
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know.

304
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If I had a question on whether or not something was right or wrong, I got a couple of
people in my phone, Matt being one.

305
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Like I could make a phone call and get at least a second opinion.

306
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You know, I'm not a framing carpenter.

307
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You know, like I don't do that.

308
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So if I'm going to do something and I think, I think I'm doing it right, maybe I would
consult a home inspector because I think there's a lot more today that are better than

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they ever were.

310
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And there's so much more knowledgeable and you guys are sharing so much knowledge with
each other.

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has something to do with it.

312
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Yeah.

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mean, I think, you know, putting that out there, everyone has a chance to grow.

314
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Just like, you know, meeting you and other people in the construction industry, like I get
to learn from everyone on a daily basis.

315
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And I feel like, you know, that's what, you know, some of these inspectors are doing is,
is learning from other inspectors that are putting stuff out there.

316
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So I think it's more tangible.

317
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When I started this stuff just really wasn't available.

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You you couldn't get the training, the videos that are either really terrible and, and,
and you got training in the

319
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In school, know, the home inspection school, it was not very good.

320
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It was what it was.

321
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You get experience on the job, but now there's a whole lot of stuff out there.

322
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But I got a question for you because we were talking about your house and it's copper in
it.

323
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And we were talking about if you were to get a new house, you know, what would you do?

324
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And you were like, I'd probably do copper, but it's like, I mean, I also I'm going to do
it myself.

325
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And so like yours that I thought of another like question in that realm.

326
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If you were to buy a

327
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Yeah.

328
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that needed a repo.

329
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What would you use?

330
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You use an older house and you know that it, let's play it CPVC or galvanized or CPVC.

331
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my gosh, if it had Galvanizer CPVC, I don't care what would go in it as long as it wasn't,
as long as that stuff was coming out.

332
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I'll be honest, I would have no hesitation putting PEX in if it meant that I had some, if
I was crawling around a crawl space and to snake pipes in tight areas and didn't have room

333
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to work, stuff like that, PEX is great.

334
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It's great for that.

335
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retrofit, yeah, I mean, like, don't think.

336
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it would end up being a hybrid system.

337
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There's no doubt in my mind.

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um If I built a new house or if I was re-piping something and I was living there, I would
probably choose copper, not because I think PEX is a lesser product, but because it's just

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material cost for me.

340
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I mean, I'm not paying myself to do the labor.

341
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Just as anybody I know that works in their own house is doing it, you know.

342
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It's the last thing to get done, and nobody's paying them.

343
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So there's no motivation unless you don't have a hot shower or something like that, right?

344
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So I don't have hesitation using either one.

345
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Now, in my house, I have copper.

346
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If I were to move or build a new one, it probably would end up being a hybrid of sorts,
because there are some benefits to pecs over copper.

347
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And that would be longer distances on smaller pipe.

348
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We can get away with,

349
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better flow rates, we can use way less fittings with PEX.

350
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In fact, you can eliminate upwards of 60 plus percent of the fittings in the system just
by going with PEX.

351
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And with the PEX systems that we're installing and have been for a while, if you're paying
attention as a plumber or as a general contractor and you're looking at what's really out

352
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there in these catalogs from the manufacturers, if you go beyond just a very simple, I
recognize that as a

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a T because it's got three connections on it.

354
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It's so simple.

355
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There's some little tiny mini manifolds that allow a whole bunch of connection points all
at once, but they eliminate connections.

356
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They consolidate all the, they eliminate fittings.

357
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They consolidate ah to small junctures and less cutting your pipe, less leak paths, things
like that.

358
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So there can be huge advantages to a PEX system actually.

359
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I think a hybrid is really the way to look at it.

360
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think most home builders should really consider that.

361
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I think you're plumbing in the mechanical space where your appliances are and stuff like
that.

362
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I think we should be going away from pecs on those connection points where we're relying
on pipe to be straight and rigid and braced nicely so we're getting rid of vibrations and

363
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things like that.

364
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And go to copper and then switch over when you're in the trusses or you're in the ceiling
joists or whatever it is, wherever you're working.

365
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I think then going to PAX is a great way, like a hybrid approach.

366
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love these little copper stave outs that I see like at toilets and stuff like nothing
bothers me more than a piece of peck just sticking out of the wall with a valve on it.

367
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I don't, I think pecs sticking out of the wall is fine, but here's the deal.

368
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Go back to what I just said a second ago.

369
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If you know what's in the catalog, you know what's out there.

370
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Do know that they make these really awesome brass chrome sleeves that go over pecs?

371
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I've been using those things for years.

372
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My customers have no idea that there's pecs sticking out of the wall.

373
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Cause A, I use the right kind of bracing that keeps my pipe straight.

374
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You know, you have the nice, but don't get me wrong.

375
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I get it.

376
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When people say, that looks like crap and stuff, yeah, usually because guys have stuff
sticking out and it's all wonky and gross.

377
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And I look at that and I'd be like, even if that was copper, I would say it looks like
crap.

378
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You know what I mean?

379
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So you can do a poor job with good materials, and you can do a great job with any
materials.

380
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You know what I'm saying?

381
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You can do a good job.

382
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I think it's

383
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nothing worse than a piece of tech sticking out of the wall, but there is.

384
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My house has CPVC, unfortunately, right?

385
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I actually don't have any problems with it, but the one problem that I do have is that all
my valves are push-pull and I hate them.

386
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Yeah, it's stupid, man.

387
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Like whose idea was this?

388
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Anytime I see those, I remind my customers, like, hey, I offer this awesome removal and
replacement service for those things, because they're junk.

389
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They're garbage.

390
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And if they're not failing, all we have to do is touch it, and then it'll fail.

391
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It's one of those kinds of products.

392
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People, we were, hey.

393
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is.

394
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Terrible.

395
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we were putting those things in because when I started out, I did new construction.

396
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every type of house from starter homes back when starter homes were fairly inexpensive,
when you could build $150,000 house, you know what mean?

397
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That's how old I am.

398
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then all the way up to million dollar plus houses, right?

399
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We were installing those in like 99, 2000, 2001.

400
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And they're still like, hey, I'll acknowledge that they've lasted a long time.

401
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Sure.

402
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are garbage.

403
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They don't hold back water.

404
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You shut them off, remove a toilet.

405
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That thing's just dripping the whole time.

406
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You're like, I'm going to replace this thing.

407
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And I'm sorry it's going to cost you a few hundred bucks.

408
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But you'll never have to worry about it again.

409
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You know what I mean?

410
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And you have a functional valve when I'm done, because those things are garbage.

411
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Absolutely, man.

412
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Now, I do want to talk to you about this.

413
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So we didn't really get to see the rough end for the Rysinger build because it was, well,
you did, okay.

414
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when we filmed ours, the drywall was up, floors were installed, everything.

415
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uh

416
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the build show live.

417
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had it.

418
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I'm sorry to interrupt, but they had they had the

419
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that.

420
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I was that built a lot, but I didn't, I didn't go on the tour.

421
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I don't know what I was off doing, but no, no, you're good.

422
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You're good.

423
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I ended up down there like last August or something, just hanging out with, Mark, Willie
and Jake, uh, just, doing some filming and kind of checking it out.

424
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And it was like, I think we did a blower door test on it, you know, and like, uh, it was,
you know, definitely in the rough phase, but yeah, it was, wasn't quite even ready for

425
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the,

426
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I think because they were putting insulation in before the build show, I think, right?

427
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To show off the different types of insulation or something like that.

428
00:25:54,147 --> 00:25:56,822
And um I didn't even have any of that in there when I went.

429
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But I did get to see it in a rough stage.

430
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Right on.

431
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sure that there's, you know, I'm sure Matt's got some, some videos on, the build show
channel about it, but can you kind of tease it a little bit here on what, what went into

432
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:09,883
that?

433
00:26:09,883 --> 00:26:10,753
It's surprising.

434
00:26:10,753 --> 00:26:14,556
A lot of people might not have, if you haven't seen the videos.

435
00:26:14,556 --> 00:26:22,292
And I did a couple plumbing and mechanical videos for Matt's series, because he takes off
in the summertime for a nice long family vacation.

436
00:26:22,292 --> 00:26:23,032
They were shooting.

437
00:26:23,032 --> 00:26:26,364
They're like, we've got to get these videos done, because the walls are going to get
covered, stuff like that.

438
00:26:26,364 --> 00:26:27,135
And so I was down there.

439
00:26:27,135 --> 00:26:29,687
And if you want to watch them, there's some videos with me in them.

440
00:26:29,687 --> 00:26:31,938
They're probably not as good as the ones with Matt.

441
00:26:32,158 --> 00:26:37,412
But we did cover plumbing and piping and different types of systems that are in there.

442
00:26:37,412 --> 00:26:39,203
And believe it or not,

443
00:26:39,313 --> 00:26:41,664
So they've got a Legend brand.

444
00:26:41,664 --> 00:26:44,084
uh Legend was a sponsor, so it's no problem.

445
00:26:44,084 --> 00:26:45,085
We can mention it.

446
00:26:45,085 --> 00:26:46,025
It's cool.

447
00:26:46,025 --> 00:26:54,967
Legend Piping, they're an importer up in Michigan, and they have a whole bunch of piping
systems for potable and hydronics, like that.

448
00:26:54,967 --> 00:26:56,395
Fittings, they've got press fittings.

449
00:26:56,395 --> 00:26:57,248
They've got everything.

450
00:26:57,248 --> 00:27:03,449
Anyway, Legend Pax was in there, and they used a push to connect type of fitting system.

451
00:27:04,030 --> 00:27:05,670
And it's interesting.

452
00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:06,180
It is.

453
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:09,111
It seems as though most people would be like, whoa.

454
00:27:09,339 --> 00:27:12,541
And the reality is this, a lot of people don't like push to connect.

455
00:27:12,541 --> 00:27:16,624
ah If I say Sharkbite, that's a brand that's not Legends brand, right?

456
00:27:16,624 --> 00:27:19,006
Yeah, it's like Kleenex at this point.

457
00:27:19,006 --> 00:27:24,389
Now, RWC, the company that owns Sharkbite, name doesn't like it when you say that.

458
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:25,750
But you know what?

459
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:31,264
They were the first, and they were the ones that perfected the fitting system ah in North
America.

460
00:27:31,264 --> 00:27:35,377
So that's what we're going to call them.

461
00:27:35,377 --> 00:27:36,988
But Milwaukee invented it, right?

462
00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:38,378
And that's their name.

463
00:27:39,091 --> 00:27:42,411
I never got a ReSIP, so do you?

464
00:27:44,551 --> 00:27:47,571
So anyway, I don't ask for Charmin or whatever.

465
00:27:47,571 --> 00:27:48,791
You get the idea.

466
00:27:48,791 --> 00:27:51,431
But yeah, so they use the push to connect fitting system.

467
00:27:51,431 --> 00:27:54,911
Plumbers are probably a little skeptical when they're installing it, but I talk to them.

468
00:27:54,911 --> 00:28:01,111
And so I know the Plumbers a little bit that work for Matt's houses on the Risinger
properties.

469
00:28:01,111 --> 00:28:03,551
And I asked them straight up, like, what do you think?

470
00:28:03,891 --> 00:28:06,091
Cameras are off, I'm just like, tell me what you think.

471
00:28:06,091 --> 00:28:09,171
And they're like, at first, I didn't think it was like,

472
00:28:09,235 --> 00:28:10,135
going to be great.

473
00:28:10,135 --> 00:28:11,535
And then they did the whole house.

474
00:28:11,535 --> 00:28:14,595
they're like, I mean, it was pretty nice.

475
00:28:15,135 --> 00:28:18,795
You're just cut and packed at that point and just pushing it together.

476
00:28:18,795 --> 00:28:20,315
They have this system.

477
00:28:21,135 --> 00:28:22,715
It was nice.

478
00:28:22,815 --> 00:28:27,095
The cool thing about those Legend fittings, I think they're called Clearlock.

479
00:28:27,235 --> 00:28:33,115
I hope I'm getting that name right for my friend Wade Tennant at Legend, you're listening
to this.

480
00:28:33,115 --> 00:28:34,175
Sorry, Wade, if I got it wrong.

481
00:28:34,175 --> 00:28:35,315
I think it's called Clearlock.

482
00:28:35,315 --> 00:28:36,883
And the point of it is this.

483
00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:41,706
They're made out of the same plastic that all PEX fittings are made out of, but they're
transparent.

484
00:28:41,706 --> 00:28:48,049
So you could see where the end of the pipe was and that you were fully inserted into the
fitting.

485
00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:55,133
And a plumber would look at that and go, wow, I don't have to mark the tubing and measure
it out and all that kind of stuff.

486
00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:57,634
And they were just snapping it together.

487
00:28:57,935 --> 00:28:59,156
And they liked it.

488
00:28:59,156 --> 00:29:00,566
And they were honest with me.

489
00:29:00,566 --> 00:29:05,499
I think I know these guys enough that were like, yeah, no, we were skeptical at first, but
it's good stuff.

490
00:29:05,821 --> 00:29:12,445
Now, what are some things that home inspectors really need to be looking out for with some
of these new fittings and connections that are going in?

491
00:29:12,445 --> 00:29:20,469
mean, because again, Brisinger loves to highlight some of the new best and most efficient
materials and standards in the industry.

492
00:29:20,469 --> 00:29:28,303
So from the inspector side of things, when we're looking at new plumbing and new plumbing
materials, what are things that we need to be aware of?

493
00:29:28,655 --> 00:29:34,699
I think it's important to just check out the website and the technical information from
the manufacturer, right?

494
00:29:34,699 --> 00:29:40,433
So if you see press fittings, you probably have seen them a million times now ah on
copper.

495
00:29:40,433 --> 00:29:43,284
And you go, OK, I mean, I don't really know much about that.

496
00:29:43,284 --> 00:29:47,937
But obviously, you can learn pretty easily off of, let's say, the manufacturer like VEGA
or NIPCO.

497
00:29:47,937 --> 00:29:50,829
You can go to their website and find out how it's installed.

498
00:29:50,829 --> 00:29:54,183
I think it would be good for home inspectors.

499
00:29:54,183 --> 00:29:56,304
to just understand the process of installation.

500
00:29:56,304 --> 00:30:03,817
Because if you understand how it's supposed to be done according to the book, you could
look at the install and go, OK, I'm not sure that this guy's doing it right.

501
00:30:03,817 --> 00:30:05,027
You know what I mean?

502
00:30:05,288 --> 00:30:13,291
And ultimately, when it comes down to ah piping distribution systems for potable water and
stuff like that, I don't know.

503
00:30:13,291 --> 00:30:23,591
ah My inspectors here, my building inspectors, that if I'm working in a city that has a
trade specific, those inspectors are a little more thorough.

504
00:30:23,591 --> 00:30:25,872
They're looking at how I'm sizing my pipe.

505
00:30:25,872 --> 00:30:28,292
They're making sure that I've got everything.

506
00:30:28,431 --> 00:30:31,123
I don't downsize too soon.

507
00:30:31,123 --> 00:30:34,634
I'm not taking fixtures off, too many fixtures off half inch, stuff like that.

508
00:30:34,634 --> 00:30:43,096
So they're looking at that a lot closer than, let's say, my building inspectors that are
looking at all of the, they're doing every inspection on the job, that kind of thing.

509
00:30:43,096 --> 00:30:44,867
They're less likely to be looking at that.

510
00:30:44,867 --> 00:30:45,897
But I think it's important.

511
00:30:45,897 --> 00:30:52,275
I think understanding just like, if you look at a bathroom group and you've got three
fixtures and you, and you,

512
00:30:52,275 --> 00:30:54,995
in, or let's say you have four fixtures in a bathroom group.

513
00:30:54,995 --> 00:30:58,575
can tell you right now, shouldn't have feeding that bathroom.

514
00:30:58,575 --> 00:30:59,535
Shouldn't be half inch.

515
00:30:59,535 --> 00:31:00,195
It's too small.

516
00:31:00,195 --> 00:31:01,675
It's supposed to be at minimum three quarter.

517
00:31:01,675 --> 00:31:01,835
Right?

518
00:31:01,835 --> 00:31:08,815
So there's like the basics of like, I can have three fixtures on half inch, but as soon as
I go to the fourth, I got to go to three quarter, that kind of stuff.

519
00:31:08,815 --> 00:31:11,255
And then ultimately we kind of already talked about it.

520
00:31:11,255 --> 00:31:20,843
You guys aren't there watching them ream that copper or deep, you know, chamfer that, you
know, plastic PVC drainage fitting or something like that.

521
00:31:20,883 --> 00:31:28,303
But if you can look at the full system, understand what's going on, and you can see things
that are pretty important, like supports.

522
00:31:28,823 --> 00:31:31,443
Like, pex plumbing's supposed to be supported every 32 inches.

523
00:31:31,443 --> 00:31:33,643
How often do you see that?

524
00:31:33,643 --> 00:31:38,483
Like, I mean, I've had inspectors literally be like, I think you're too wide on your
supports.

525
00:31:38,483 --> 00:31:40,563
They look like 34, 36.

526
00:31:40,563 --> 00:31:41,943
You know, like, OK.

527
00:31:41,943 --> 00:31:43,803
But he's wrong.

528
00:31:43,803 --> 00:31:47,543
He's looking at it, looking at things that are important long term.

529
00:31:47,543 --> 00:31:50,663
Like, if we're not doing even just the

530
00:31:50,663 --> 00:31:54,584
basics, because what is it they say about the code, right?

531
00:31:54,584 --> 00:31:57,025
It's the minimum standard.

532
00:31:57,165 --> 00:32:02,367
So I think if you guys are looking at that and just going, look, the pipe is supported
properly.

533
00:32:02,367 --> 00:32:04,988
can very clearly see how they did this venting.

534
00:32:04,988 --> 00:32:10,330
We're not trapping anything that might fill with water in the attic or something like
that.

535
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:13,561
And obviously, you guys are looking at things like.

536
00:32:13,853 --> 00:32:17,575
does that fricking three inch line come from the bathroom group have slope on it?

537
00:32:17,575 --> 00:32:19,126
You know, like that's the basics.

538
00:32:19,126 --> 00:32:22,547
Like I'm not trying to tell you guys how to do it, but like that's pretty important.

539
00:32:22,547 --> 00:32:26,789
Um, but the fitting systems and like how it's going together, that's tough.

540
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:29,000
Cause you guys aren't there when it's being put together, right?

541
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,841
You're there after it's done.

542
00:32:30,934 --> 00:32:33,576
I mean, it's a little bit outside of our scope.

543
00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:41,082
I think for just about anybody anywhere in what we do in terms of general home inspection,
but what you were talking about, you know, especially whenever I'm doing like pre, you

544
00:32:41,082 --> 00:32:47,127
know, rough in type stuff, you know, make sure it's properly supported, protected from
nail damage and stuff like that.

545
00:32:47,127 --> 00:32:49,960
What, let me ask you something.

546
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,532
This is, I hope, I hope this is entertaining.

547
00:32:52,532 --> 00:32:58,995
Um, what, do you have any things like about inspectors that just like get on your nerves?

548
00:32:58,995 --> 00:33:02,029
Like what, what is it about inspectors that like really gets under your skin?

549
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:04,893
Is there like one thing or maybe multiple things.

550
00:33:04,933 --> 00:33:06,483
I've never, no.

551
00:33:06,784 --> 00:33:09,366
Yeah, OK, so I don't.

552
00:33:12,969 --> 00:33:19,873
No, it's not related to critiquing my work.

553
00:33:20,353 --> 00:33:25,527
I look at like, I did a lot of new construction, did new construction for a long time.

554
00:33:25,527 --> 00:33:26,958
I don't do it anymore.

555
00:33:26,958 --> 00:33:33,363
All right, so I might do a new home or something new-ish, like an addition or something
like that.

556
00:33:33,363 --> 00:33:35,003
I might do that every couple of years.

557
00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:37,608
ah My work is being inspected.

558
00:33:37,608 --> 00:33:42,782
ah It's more like my heating systems, like I'm putting in a new boiler, I'm putting a new
furnace, something like that.

559
00:33:42,782 --> 00:33:45,024
That, we pull permits, we get it inspected.

560
00:33:45,024 --> 00:33:49,596
But if I'm putting a new sink in and stuff, I'm not going to lie.

561
00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:54,640
Not always pulling permits for everything we do, because some things we do don't need
permits.

562
00:33:55,161 --> 00:34:03,026
My biggest gripe, and I kind of have to stretch a little bit back to when I was doing new
construction regularly, and it still happens today.

563
00:34:03,026 --> 00:34:04,707
But my biggest thing is like,

564
00:34:05,523 --> 00:34:07,985
ah the inspection window thing.

565
00:34:07,985 --> 00:34:12,469
Because in Minnesota, uh as a licensed trade, we have to be on site.

566
00:34:12,469 --> 00:34:14,790
So we have to be there for an inspection.

567
00:34:14,891 --> 00:34:19,494
And I got to say, that is one rule.

568
00:34:19,735 --> 00:34:22,687
I don't think I'm willing to work towards changing.

569
00:34:22,687 --> 00:34:27,041
I just wish we could change the whole admin side on the inspection side of things.

570
00:34:27,041 --> 00:34:30,084
It feels like you stand around waiting a long time.

571
00:34:30,084 --> 00:34:31,144
I don't want windows.

572
00:34:31,144 --> 00:34:32,225
I want a time.

573
00:34:32,225 --> 00:34:33,486
That's my big thing.

574
00:34:33,486 --> 00:34:34,747
The other thing is,

575
00:34:35,175 --> 00:34:36,615
I'll be honest with you.

576
00:34:36,896 --> 00:34:42,149
I have had some of the longest conversations in my life on a job site with inspectors.

577
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:43,239
Like they just want to talk.

578
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:50,273
It's like, maybe I'm just too nice or something, but like, I want to, like, I got to,
like, I got to backfill this trench here.

579
00:34:50,273 --> 00:34:55,726
Like the concrete guys are concrete guys are probably my least favorite people on the job.

580
00:34:55,726 --> 00:34:57,587
And they're always at the plumber's heels.

581
00:34:57,587 --> 00:34:59,268
Like when you're to be done.

582
00:34:59,268 --> 00:35:00,709
And they're filling in their trenches.

583
00:35:00,709 --> 00:35:02,790
Like, dude, I'm not even inspected yet.

584
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:04,371
You know, like that kind of thing.

585
00:35:04,403 --> 00:35:06,917
ah I don't really have a lot to say.

586
00:35:06,917 --> 00:35:11,616
Honestly, I think time is wasted when we're standing around doing nothing.

587
00:35:11,616 --> 00:35:13,659
That's just kind of my personality.

588
00:35:13,993 --> 00:35:21,966
That sounds like building inspector type stuff like our stuff or at least what I do
especially even when I do the rough-in stuff isn't really like that and there's definitely

589
00:35:21,966 --> 00:35:31,090
nobody on site or at least not usually I mean sometimes they are they're just finishing
stuff trying to cram it in before I go see it but I mean like um It isn't that kind of

590
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:39,984
deal where like I'm inspecting so you can move on like what I do and I think what Brad
does too is is uh We're just working for the buyer.

591
00:35:39,984 --> 00:35:40,674
You know what I mean?

592
00:35:40,674 --> 00:35:42,185
So like they're

593
00:35:42,483 --> 00:35:54,196
The builder usually, not always, but usually depending on where they're at, has inspectors
or people that come through and look at things at a certain time too, that can impede

594
00:35:54,196 --> 00:35:54,736
progress.

595
00:35:54,736 --> 00:35:59,578
Like for us, like I can go in there and I can tell you something's wrong, but that doesn't
mean you gotta stop.

596
00:35:59,578 --> 00:36:00,758
You can just keep going.

597
00:36:00,758 --> 00:36:05,619
But the buyer knows now that something's wrong, so they can either negotiate, hey, we
gotta stop.

598
00:36:05,619 --> 00:36:08,040
I'm not moving forward anymore.

599
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,981
Or they kind of discuss what happens from there.

600
00:36:10,981 --> 00:36:12,384
uh

601
00:36:12,384 --> 00:36:17,133
a, if I'm doing a pre drywall inspection and you know, I'm checking out the plumbing
that's there.

602
00:36:17,133 --> 00:36:20,659
I'm trying to stay as out of the way of the building as possible.

603
00:36:20,659 --> 00:36:23,585
You know, I'm not trying to talk to the tradesman there.

604
00:36:23,585 --> 00:36:26,325
like I get it, like, and I'm like this too.

605
00:36:26,325 --> 00:36:33,685
I mean, I try to be respectful of people's time, but if like, have a moment to absorb some
knowledge from somebody, like I will do that.

606
00:36:33,685 --> 00:36:37,425
And so, you know, but, but, but I also try to be respectful of people's time.

607
00:36:37,425 --> 00:36:39,785
So I wonder if that's like what these guys are doing.

608
00:36:39,785 --> 00:36:44,285
Cause I mean, you know, uh, they, see somebody out there, they might have a bunch of
questions.

609
00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:46,775
You're using, you're using press fittings.

610
00:36:47,753 --> 00:36:50,515
love answering questions and having a conversation.

611
00:36:50,515 --> 00:36:58,380
That's different from now we're 25, 30 minutes in and we're talking about how you're going
on an RV trip.

612
00:37:00,361 --> 00:37:07,027
I'm just looking like, if you have a question about what I did or a critique about it, or
you could say, hey, I don't think that that's right.

613
00:37:07,027 --> 00:37:10,630
Could you show me how we're in the code books to say you should do it that way?

614
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:12,667
I love that question.

615
00:37:12,667 --> 00:37:24,017
I love to be asked by an inspector, as a plumbing and HVAC contractor, like I just said,
the best way I think it could be worded is, and look, this is my feelings, right?

616
00:37:24,017 --> 00:37:26,048
And this is how I feel about it.

617
00:37:26,048 --> 00:37:31,823
But if you could say to a tradesperson, hey, I'm not sure I understand why you did it that
way.

618
00:37:31,823 --> 00:37:32,984
Could you show me?

619
00:37:32,984 --> 00:37:34,285
I have the code book.

620
00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:35,496
Would you take a minute?

621
00:37:35,496 --> 00:37:36,867
Could you show that?

622
00:37:37,007 --> 00:37:41,893
And that's an opportunity for you guys, for us to both learn together, because I make
mistakes.

623
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:42,964
I make mistakes.

624
00:37:42,964 --> 00:37:48,847
But also, it's a way different conversation then moving forward than, that's wrong.

625
00:37:48,847 --> 00:37:50,218
And if it's wrong, it's wrong.

626
00:37:50,218 --> 00:37:52,249
I need to be told that, and I need to learn from that.

627
00:37:52,249 --> 00:37:57,552
But if you approach it that a different way, like, I don't see it like this a lot.

628
00:37:57,552 --> 00:37:58,973
You're doing it differently.

629
00:37:58,973 --> 00:38:00,273
Is that right?

630
00:38:00,273 --> 00:38:01,314
Could you just show me that?

631
00:38:01,314 --> 00:38:04,049
And I wish inspectors would think about it that way.

632
00:38:04,049 --> 00:38:05,256
And some of them do, obviously.

633
00:38:05,256 --> 00:38:09,298
Some people are great with communication and stuff like that.

634
00:38:09,298 --> 00:38:10,545
But it's.

635
00:38:10,545 --> 00:38:13,717
The job site oftentimes is filled with people, myself included.

636
00:38:13,717 --> 00:38:15,648
They're like very proud of what they did.

637
00:38:15,648 --> 00:38:16,879
And we're, just talked about it.

638
00:38:16,879 --> 00:38:17,549
We're in a hurry.

639
00:38:17,549 --> 00:38:19,310
We got a thing, you know, we've got things to do.

640
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:23,543
And like the last thing you wanted to be do be told is you got to do something over.

641
00:38:23,543 --> 00:38:26,884
I don't know why it hurts so bad to hear that, but it really sucks.

642
00:38:26,884 --> 00:38:32,067
But yeah, yeah, exactly.

643
00:38:32,067 --> 00:38:38,707
Like I want to be like, that is never going to matter in a million years, but like, but
then it's so quick in.

644
00:38:38,707 --> 00:38:43,687
Different personalities don't mesh, but also there are some strong personalities in
construction.

645
00:38:43,687 --> 00:38:44,847
We all know that.

646
00:38:44,847 --> 00:38:47,007
So like, arguments can happen pretty quickly.

647
00:38:47,007 --> 00:38:54,287
And maybe you don't even intend for it to happen, or maybe you're just having a bad day,
or maybe you misheard or you thought what they were saying was something completely

648
00:38:54,287 --> 00:38:55,067
different.

649
00:38:55,067 --> 00:38:58,667
But the reality is, is I think communication can be a big thing.

650
00:38:58,667 --> 00:39:02,047
And I'm not saying inspectors have to treat me a certain way.

651
00:39:02,047 --> 00:39:07,421
just wish that, like, if it comes up, I wish we could have more of a dialogue about it and
be like, hey.

652
00:39:07,421 --> 00:39:11,965
Would you mind showing me where that is instead of saying, that's not how I interpret it?

653
00:39:11,965 --> 00:39:15,027
Because that sucks from the start.

654
00:39:15,027 --> 00:39:18,352
Yeah, It's combative instead of like collaborative.

655
00:39:18,352 --> 00:39:19,262
Yeah.

656
00:39:19,784 --> 00:39:20,835
Definitely makes sense,

657
00:39:20,835 --> 00:39:22,315
easy to talk about it on the podcast.

658
00:39:22,315 --> 00:39:25,595
And it's easy for me to say, I would react differently if you said that.

659
00:39:25,595 --> 00:39:27,375
Like, hope I would.

660
00:39:27,375 --> 00:39:28,615
I hope hope I would.

661
00:39:28,826 --> 00:39:37,763
No, I think it's a good place to talk about it just because it's like, mean, honestly, how
many podcasts episodes where do you have about on-site decorum, you know, or anything like

662
00:39:37,763 --> 00:39:37,933
that.

663
00:39:37,933 --> 00:39:46,991
But it's something, I mean, we're all working on the same property here and working around
each other and we're all highly specialized and very well trained and licensed in what we

664
00:39:46,991 --> 00:39:47,331
do.

665
00:39:47,331 --> 00:39:49,293
So there's a lot of respect to go around.

666
00:39:49,293 --> 00:39:51,993
It's just extended and you receive it in my mind, you know.

667
00:39:51,993 --> 00:39:52,517
Yeah.

668
00:39:52,517 --> 00:39:52,998
good, man.

669
00:39:52,998 --> 00:40:00,217
uh So I do want to ask you quickly, if you could educate us, let's use this educational
term here.

670
00:40:00,217 --> 00:40:02,470
Let's take that tone.

671
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:08,538
Could you educate us a little bit about the heat pump water heater that is in the Risinger
Eager Build house?

672
00:40:08,538 --> 00:40:11,180
Tell us what is the science behind this guy?

673
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:12,061
OK.

674
00:40:12,061 --> 00:40:16,053
So heat pumps are basically what they did is they said, you know what?

675
00:40:16,053 --> 00:40:17,631
You have a heat pump already in your house.

676
00:40:17,631 --> 00:40:19,904
It's called a refrigerator and freezer.

677
00:40:19,945 --> 00:40:25,028
And so they said, we could heat water uh using that same kind of concept.

678
00:40:25,028 --> 00:40:32,952
Although with a refrigerator, if you think about it, what they're using the refrigeration
process, they're using it to pull the heat out of what's inside the box.

679
00:40:33,072 --> 00:40:36,374
And instead, a water heater, just think of it as the opposite.

680
00:40:36,374 --> 00:40:38,961
We're trying to put heat into the box.

681
00:40:38,961 --> 00:40:46,883
So now we've got a tank full of water, and we've wrapped it in a jacket of ah usually it's
this aluminum small diameter tubing that's got refrigerant running through it because we

682
00:40:46,883 --> 00:40:51,434
put a compressor on top of this unit, on top of the tank of water.

683
00:40:51,475 --> 00:41:03,178
And we've run hot, superheated uh refrigerant through those lines and through uh
conduction, because the tubing is wrapped in contact with that steel tank.

684
00:41:03,178 --> 00:41:07,507
Through conduction, it's just transferring the heat because heat goes from hot to cold.

685
00:41:07,507 --> 00:41:09,267
through the side of that tank into the water.

686
00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:10,847
The water's colder than the refrigerant.

687
00:41:10,847 --> 00:41:12,007
It's going to heat up.

688
00:41:12,287 --> 00:41:15,587
So think of it the opposite way we do with a refrigerator and freezer.

689
00:41:15,587 --> 00:41:17,407
We're using the same technologies.

690
00:41:17,407 --> 00:41:22,207
Really, I mean, for purpose of this explanation, it's not any different.

691
00:41:22,307 --> 00:41:28,807
The cool thing about heat pump water heaters is they have a couple of benefits, actually,
depending on where you live and where you put them.

692
00:41:28,807 --> 00:41:37,267
And then depending on where you live, you could really benefit from the technology and
heat water for using very minimal amount

693
00:41:37,267 --> 00:41:40,467
energy as opposed to other types of water heaters.

694
00:41:40,467 --> 00:41:48,547
So like if you live in the south and you can put your water heater outside your house,
like say you live in Arizona or you live in Hawaii or Florida, there's all kinds of places

695
00:41:48,547 --> 00:41:49,827
in this country they do that.

696
00:41:49,827 --> 00:41:50,987
Can't do it here in Minnesota.

697
00:41:50,987 --> 00:41:52,547
We have everything inside.

698
00:41:52,547 --> 00:41:54,667
Can't let it freeze, that kind of thing.

699
00:41:55,327 --> 00:42:02,067
But if you live in an area where you can have your water heater outside, a heat pump is
amazing because now you could just...

700
00:42:02,067 --> 00:42:07,567
use all that energy that's in the atmosphere, all that relative humidity that's holding
tons of heat.

701
00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:12,227
And you can just absorb energy out of it and transfer it into the water.

702
00:42:12,227 --> 00:42:13,707
That's really cool.

703
00:42:14,067 --> 00:42:22,387
And then as far as the rise in your house goes or the houses I install, we have basements
up here.

704
00:42:22,387 --> 00:42:27,155
We're installing our water heaters in basements like 9.9 times out of 10.

705
00:42:27,155 --> 00:42:31,267
uh These heat pumps then take a few different considerations.

706
00:42:31,267 --> 00:42:39,532
as soon as you put that thing inside, now you're expelling, because of how it operates,
you're expelling a whole bunch of cooler air out into the room, into the space it's

707
00:42:39,532 --> 00:42:40,602
installed.

708
00:42:40,963 --> 00:42:45,275
It's like, yeah, so there's kind of like a little bit of a benefit, right?

709
00:42:45,275 --> 00:42:47,847
So you have this cooled air.

710
00:42:47,847 --> 00:42:49,407
It's very dry.

711
00:42:49,935 --> 00:42:55,931
And it's being force fed out of the unit just through a fan into the room.

712
00:42:56,111 --> 00:43:02,673
And so there's a couple of things you have to know on just really about where these things
can be installed.

713
00:43:02,673 --> 00:43:04,613
Otherwise, you're going to have problems.

714
00:43:04,694 --> 00:43:13,356
if you, for instance, every manufacturer, based off of basically the size of a heat pump
compressor is about 500 watts.

715
00:43:13,356 --> 00:43:23,239
And through the refrigeration process and over a certain period of time, it requires a
certain amount of air to pull energy out of before you just lose that energy.

716
00:43:23,399 --> 00:43:36,633
you so you need like a specific or minimum volume of space and that's like all of them are
like hey you need 750 cubic feet and so we know the cubic is three-dimensional and you got

717
00:43:36,633 --> 00:43:47,105
to put it in a room that's 750 cubic feet or bigger and if you don't you have to duct air
into that space so you can supply it with the energy because you're using literally just

718
00:43:47,105 --> 00:43:53,511
the energy that's in the atmosphere in the air around it to transfer that heat into the
water.

719
00:43:53,511 --> 00:43:56,929
So is that a lot or too much or not enough?

720
00:43:56,929 --> 00:43:58,061
think it's good.

721
00:43:58,061 --> 00:44:00,781
I mean, I could kind of put two and two together.

722
00:44:00,781 --> 00:44:06,501
I'm like, all right, instead of an air to air heat exchanger, it's an air to water heat
exchanger of some sort.

723
00:44:06,561 --> 00:44:08,541
It's just the, the, do you put the compressor?

724
00:44:08,541 --> 00:44:09,981
Where's the expansion coil?

725
00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:13,481
Like where it's like, how does that function in an enclosed space?

726
00:44:13,481 --> 00:44:15,019
You know, just all of that.

727
00:44:15,019 --> 00:44:27,519
maybe kind of the advantage about a heat pump water heater, in this case, like an
all-in-one system, is that it's not a repairable type.

728
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:31,219
It has a life expectancy.

729
00:44:31,219 --> 00:44:36,519
I think they're saying that based off of water, not taking into consideration water
quality.

730
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,799
These are 10 to 15-year appliances.

731
00:44:41,713 --> 00:44:44,524
Water conditions can affect how long tanks last.

732
00:44:44,524 --> 00:44:46,125
Let me just put that out there.

733
00:44:46,125 --> 00:44:49,906
It doesn't matter if it's a heat pump or any other tank.

734
00:44:49,906 --> 00:44:51,107
So it's all in one.

735
00:44:51,107 --> 00:44:56,409
So you don't have any uh refrigeration, refrigerant piping running to the outside.

736
00:44:56,409 --> 00:45:02,452
You're not having outdoor unit or anything like that in these typical units like you saw
at the rising air build.

737
00:45:02,452 --> 00:45:03,922
That was an LG model.

738
00:45:03,922 --> 00:45:05,333
I haven't installed that.

739
00:45:05,333 --> 00:45:08,534
I have monkeyed around with that one.

740
00:45:08,534 --> 00:45:10,715
It's the first and only one I've ever seen.

741
00:45:10,863 --> 00:45:12,324
from that brand.

742
00:45:12,924 --> 00:45:16,877
yeah, they're basically the same as like, if you think of like the air to air, right?

743
00:45:16,877 --> 00:45:19,408
So like you have to move air across that coil.

744
00:45:19,408 --> 00:45:23,540
All we're doing is we're taking that coil and we're making it bigger.

745
00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:26,392
We're making the tubing inside that coil longer.

746
00:45:26,392 --> 00:45:32,155
We're just wrapping it around a steel tank filled with water and then insulating the heck
out of it.

747
00:45:32,155 --> 00:45:37,008
So that refrigerant that would be in that coil and the air running across it through the
fins and everything like that.

748
00:45:37,008 --> 00:45:38,619
Instead, it's

749
00:45:38,923 --> 00:45:42,528
smack dab tight up against that tank and just through conduction.

750
00:45:42,528 --> 00:45:50,967
Like if you were to take and hold that cold glass in your hand, Matt, you feel that cool
liquid inside there because your hand is hotter than the glass.

751
00:45:50,967 --> 00:45:51,208
Right.

752
00:45:51,208 --> 00:45:59,539
So that's what's happening with the tank and the refrigerant and that heat transfer is
done right there instead of having airflow and fins and things like that.

753
00:45:59,539 --> 00:46:00,160
That makes sense.

754
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,412
Definitely makes sense.

755
00:46:01,412 --> 00:46:07,145
Now, before I ask the last question on there, since Matt held up his drink, a very quick
drink of the day, Matt, what is it?

756
00:46:07,145 --> 00:46:13,787
okay, well for me, I made a whiskey sour, what I call like a summer whiskey sour.

757
00:46:14,888 --> 00:46:26,372
Basically just lemon juice, little simple syrup, little bitters, a couple ounces of some
good bourbon and I top it off with club soda.

758
00:46:26,613 --> 00:46:28,123
So it's nice and bright.

759
00:46:28,263 --> 00:46:35,819
And once we get off the show here, I'm gonna toast freedom in America with a rum old
fashioned.

760
00:46:35,819 --> 00:46:37,370
I found a recipe for this guy.

761
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:40,153
ah Rum old fashioned?

762
00:46:40,153 --> 00:46:44,016
Yeah, you use, it's coconut cartel rum.

763
00:46:44,016 --> 00:46:46,068
It's a Guatemalan blend.

764
00:46:46,068 --> 00:46:52,864
You use chocolate bitters, orange bitters, a little bit of simple syrup, but I think it'd
be even better with like a brown sugar syrup.

765
00:46:52,864 --> 00:46:53,289
And...

766
00:46:53,289 --> 00:46:54,447
I think that's all there is.

767
00:46:54,447 --> 00:46:57,978
Stir it up instead of shake it, pour it over a big cube.

768
00:46:58,078 --> 00:47:04,151
I had it at a restaurant one time where they had a candied orange slice dipped in
chocolate that they just topped that off with.

769
00:47:04,151 --> 00:47:06,781
And I was like, this is dessert in a cup.

770
00:47:06,822 --> 00:47:09,642
Man, it's good though, but I figured out how to make it.

771
00:47:09,903 --> 00:47:14,624
but of course, drink of the day sponsored by Inspection Fuel, September 8th through the
10th in New Orleans.

772
00:47:14,624 --> 00:47:16,845
Be there, be square, links in the bio.

773
00:47:16,873 --> 00:47:24,139
ah But back to Eric back to the the water heater one more time if you were going to if
you're a homeowner and you wanted to install something that was going to be the newest

774
00:47:24,139 --> 00:47:32,225
most efficient thing out there Would you use something like a heat pump water heater or is
it is a tankless water heater still more efficient?

775
00:47:32,743 --> 00:47:37,616
Well, um I think we need to throw around the word.

776
00:47:37,616 --> 00:47:38,726
And I'm not calling you out.

777
00:47:38,726 --> 00:47:39,587
I'm not pointing at you.

778
00:47:39,587 --> 00:47:42,669
But I think we use the word efficiency.

779
00:47:42,669 --> 00:47:46,451
um I think we rely on that too much.

780
00:47:46,771 --> 00:47:48,832
All of these appliances are very efficient.

781
00:47:48,832 --> 00:47:53,955
uh Tank water heaters, in general, are less efficient than a tankless water heater.

782
00:47:53,955 --> 00:48:00,583
And the reason why is because we're storing this big volume of water that uh often
requires

783
00:48:01,138 --> 00:48:02,759
maintenance to keep the temperature up.

784
00:48:02,759 --> 00:48:13,499
It needs a fire if it's gas, or it needs to energize elements, or heat pumps, or stuff
like that, even when you're not using water, because there's heat It's just sitting there.

785
00:48:13,499 --> 00:48:21,999
If you have a tank of water that's 120 degrees and your room is 80 degrees, that tank is
going to lose heat over time.

786
00:48:21,999 --> 00:48:27,379
And you're going to have to reheat it, even if you're at work, or on vacation, or
whatever.

787
00:48:28,529 --> 00:48:40,142
Tankless in that sense, then you could make the argument is more efficient, even if you're
comparing it to uh a heat pump water heater in this sense, is that most tankless are only

788
00:48:40,142 --> 00:48:42,863
heating when you run water out of a faucet.

789
00:48:42,863 --> 00:48:51,885
So now we're not running when ah it's sitting idle, when we're sleeping, when we're at
work, when nobody's around, that kind of thing, because we're not maintaining a

790
00:48:51,885 --> 00:48:53,526
temperature of big volume storage.

791
00:48:53,526 --> 00:48:56,557
That said, I kind of would like to put that out there.

792
00:48:56,557 --> 00:48:58,541
I think people use the word efficiency.

793
00:48:58,541 --> 00:49:01,172
and they're applying it wrong.

794
00:49:01,952 --> 00:49:09,674
Now tankless, if you're looking at tank versus tankless, heat pump, anything like that, I
think you just got to look at your load.

795
00:49:09,674 --> 00:49:11,835
Like what do you really use for hot water?

796
00:49:11,835 --> 00:49:13,835
And that's not hard to figure out.

797
00:49:13,835 --> 00:49:14,806
It really isn't.

798
00:49:14,806 --> 00:49:17,937
It sounds foreign to most people who have just never thought about it.

799
00:49:17,937 --> 00:49:22,778
But if you look at how many people are in your house, we have some very good numbers that
are averages.

800
00:49:22,778 --> 00:49:26,739
So we know that on the average, most people, family of four,

801
00:49:26,739 --> 00:49:34,499
each person is going to use roughly 70 to 80 to 100 gallons of water, depends on kind of
your lifestyle, per day.

802
00:49:34,759 --> 00:49:39,559
So if you take a 10 minute shower and you're running two and a half gallons a minute, how
many gallons of water is that?

803
00:49:40,743 --> 00:49:42,635
Man, don't make me math right now.

804
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:45,592
You already know it.

805
00:49:45,592 --> 00:49:47,733
yeah, it's 25 gallons.

806
00:49:47,733 --> 00:49:53,264
But if you fill a bathtub to take a bath versus a shower, you're to use more water than
you did in the shower, right?

807
00:49:53,264 --> 00:49:57,275
So you could just look at how you use your water, how many people are in your house.

808
00:49:57,275 --> 00:49:58,883
And there's some pretty good numbers, actually.

809
00:49:58,883 --> 00:50:07,818
I hate to say this, by the government that says this is you probably are going to consume
in a day versus hot water.

810
00:50:07,858 --> 00:50:10,699
And so what do you want to use to make that hot

811
00:50:11,059 --> 00:50:14,419
Tankless water heaters are great because, like I said, you're not storing any water.

812
00:50:14,419 --> 00:50:15,519
They can make their endless.

813
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:17,019
You can just leave them in a faucet run.

814
00:50:17,019 --> 00:50:18,479
They're not going to shut off.

815
00:50:18,479 --> 00:50:21,039
And that's awesome when you're talking about gas tankless.

816
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:22,659
I love them.

817
00:50:23,059 --> 00:50:25,899
Heat pump water heaters, I think that they're fantastic.

818
00:50:25,899 --> 00:50:28,119
I fully understand and can apply them properly.

819
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,539
And I think my customers are very pleased with them.

820
00:50:30,539 --> 00:50:32,939
But you have to know a couple of things going into it.

821
00:50:32,939 --> 00:50:40,435
It takes infinitely longer to reheat that tank of water than it would if it were, let's
say, even an atmospheric

822
00:50:40,435 --> 00:50:42,695
burning gas water heater.

823
00:50:42,695 --> 00:50:50,775
But if you size them properly and you store at the proper temperature, maybe you put a
mixing valve in so that you temper that water down.

824
00:50:50,775 --> 00:50:56,175
Now you have even more water than you think you have because it's hotter than you need to
have.

825
00:50:56,635 --> 00:51:01,475
And now you can, everybody can get into that routine where you're showering in the
morning.

826
00:51:01,475 --> 00:51:03,075
Maybe everybody showers in the morning.

827
00:51:03,075 --> 00:51:05,795
You've got a tank that's large enough for that.

828
00:51:05,795 --> 00:51:09,955
And then it has all day long to recoup and get back up to temperature.

829
00:51:09,979 --> 00:51:16,783
If you're going to have recirculation and you're going to have people home during the day
and people up during the night and all these kinds of things, you need to look at really

830
00:51:16,783 --> 00:51:17,663
what's best.

831
00:51:17,663 --> 00:51:25,267
Probably not a system that's going to take hours to recoup and reheat like a heat pump.

832
00:51:25,267 --> 00:51:29,600
So maybe you look at that and go, hey, ah I worked the night shift.

833
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,091
My wife works during the day.

834
00:51:31,091 --> 00:51:32,421
We're opposite schedules.

835
00:51:32,421 --> 00:51:33,105
And we got kids.

836
00:51:33,105 --> 00:51:36,353
We got all this high demand all day long, that kind of thing.

837
00:51:36,353 --> 00:51:38,214
We look at and then go, tankless.

838
00:51:38,214 --> 00:51:39,657
Seems to be a good fit.

839
00:51:39,657 --> 00:51:42,637
So application's key then, yeah.

840
00:51:43,277 --> 00:51:44,351
Yeah.

841
00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:44,892
is the same.

842
00:51:44,892 --> 00:51:49,906
have customers that have, you know, six, eight people in them in their house.

843
00:51:49,906 --> 00:51:54,604
I have customers that have massive houses, six bathrooms, and there's like two people in
them.

844
00:51:54,604 --> 00:51:56,710
You think they have the same water heater?

845
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:57,311
No.

846
00:51:57,311 --> 00:51:59,072
Do they have same demand?

847
00:51:59,072 --> 00:51:59,673
No.

848
00:51:59,673 --> 00:52:08,719
But like if those two people moved out of that six bedroom house and you know, six person
family moved in it, they're going to use a lot more water than

849
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,392
two people did.

850
00:52:09,392 --> 00:52:10,227
See what I'm getting at?

851
00:52:10,227 --> 00:52:12,494
So it's all about application.

852
00:52:12,553 --> 00:52:19,433
We had an issue back in, you know, because down here in Texas, we don't see much in the
way of freezing temperatures, but every once in a while we do.

853
00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:23,453
And when it does get really bad, know, things fail, right?

854
00:52:23,453 --> 00:52:27,093
And so we had a ton of people move down here in the last several years.

855
00:52:27,093 --> 00:52:32,733
so infrastructure wasn't really built for the amount of houses they were putting together.

856
00:52:32,873 --> 00:52:42,473
And we lost power during the winter because something failed because we had a real cold
winter back in 2021.

857
00:52:43,143 --> 00:52:45,824
something failed and a lot of people lost power for quite some time.

858
00:52:45,824 --> 00:52:56,987
was wild because like, you know, those of us with like gas tankless water or gas tank
water heaters, we at least had hot water, you know, like, uh but, but they're building so

859
00:52:56,987 --> 00:53:03,759
many houses with around here with gas tankless water heaters and like, that's great, but
you gotta have power for it.

860
00:53:03,759 --> 00:53:05,759
And so they didn't have it.

861
00:53:05,759 --> 00:53:13,059
I felt like that was a disadvantage, but that's like a disadvantage because of a natural
kind of disaster, you know?

862
00:53:13,059 --> 00:53:13,579
Yeah.

863
00:53:13,579 --> 00:53:17,739
I mean, if you really want to plan for that, then just put a generator in, right?

864
00:53:17,739 --> 00:53:18,479
Yeah.

865
00:53:18,479 --> 00:53:22,099
It's like, I don't think that I would plan around that.

866
00:53:23,339 --> 00:53:29,619
I don't think that would influence the selection of my appliances as much as it would be
like, look, we're prone to losing power around here.

867
00:53:29,619 --> 00:53:32,099
And if we do, yeah, you need backup.

868
00:53:32,099 --> 00:53:33,279
I'm lucky.

869
00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:36,279
Look, we live in a pretty extreme climate here in Minnesota.

870
00:53:36,279 --> 00:53:38,639
It gets to be 40 below every once in a while.

871
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:39,979
It's pretty frigging cold.

872
00:53:39,979 --> 00:53:40,519
Yeah.

873
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:41,259
But.

874
00:53:41,768 --> 00:53:45,741
The reality is, like we don't have a lot of power grid problems.

875
00:53:45,741 --> 00:53:54,699
most of like in my area, sure, there's plenty of above ground power, but it's not like
Texas where you guys are like all rock and blasting things and things like that.

876
00:53:54,699 --> 00:54:00,634
And in other parts of the country where like they're not bearings, like I don't see any
power lines around my house.

877
00:54:00,634 --> 00:54:03,056
You could drive for about two miles before you see the first one.

878
00:54:03,056 --> 00:54:03,297
Right?

879
00:54:03,297 --> 00:54:03,939
So like.

880
00:54:03,939 --> 00:54:05,625
I look outside my window in Florida.

881
00:54:05,625 --> 00:54:07,852
That's the only thing we do is above ground here.

882
00:54:07,871 --> 00:54:11,374
Yeah, because of so different conditions, right?

883
00:54:11,374 --> 00:54:16,518
And so because we don't have a lot of overhead power, and don't get me wrong, we have
overhead power.

884
00:54:16,518 --> 00:54:24,524
But because it's less common, we have less issues with trees knocking it down, ice storms,
or snow and wind and things like that.

885
00:54:24,524 --> 00:54:31,250
Because believe it or not, it can get cold enough and storms can happen that we can just
actually break power lines and stuff.

886
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:33,541
Thankfully, that's not a huge issue here.

887
00:54:33,587 --> 00:54:36,927
I think the generator thing, we're looking at it at our house.

888
00:54:36,927 --> 00:54:38,887
They're just so expensive.

889
00:54:38,887 --> 00:54:49,087
It's like I don't really need it, but the few times we lose power in a year, it's for very
short periods of time, the few times makes me think every time it's like 40 below, like,

890
00:54:49,087 --> 00:54:50,567
oh crap, what if we lost power?

891
00:54:50,567 --> 00:54:51,567
You know what I mean?

892
00:54:52,058 --> 00:54:58,010
think the, mean, I don't know how you feel about it, but mean, like honestly, a big
portable generator is what I got.

893
00:54:58,010 --> 00:55:01,917
Cause I mean, they just want too much for these whole house generators.

894
00:55:01,917 --> 00:55:04,042
I don't even know how long I'm going to be at my house.

895
00:55:04,042 --> 00:55:05,863
I don't feel like it's my forever house.

896
00:55:05,863 --> 00:55:09,284
And yeah, that's great that like the second the power goes out, it just starts right up.

897
00:55:09,284 --> 00:55:12,845
I got to get mine out and plug it in the house, but it runs my whole house.

898
00:55:13,267 --> 00:55:14,327
I know.

899
00:55:14,347 --> 00:55:25,807
There are obvious adva- I mean, there obviously are advantages to the, you know, the whole
house generator that you can have installed versus a portable.

900
00:55:26,647 --> 00:55:28,747
They are very expensive.

901
00:55:28,847 --> 00:55:30,747
I think it's a piece of mind for people.

902
00:55:30,747 --> 00:55:35,087
Like, if I do one, it'll be because I installed it myself, you know what I mean?

903
00:55:35,087 --> 00:55:41,875
And with my electrician buddy, I just needed to run my heating system, to be completely
honest with you.

904
00:55:41,875 --> 00:55:43,021
Yeah, I get it.

905
00:55:43,021 --> 00:55:47,290
up for cooling and then like your refrigerator and a few lights.

906
00:55:47,312 --> 00:55:52,232
and I mean like here it's more cooling because we're more prone to lose We did lose power
in the winter.

907
00:55:52,232 --> 00:55:56,071
We're more prone to lose power this time of year because of hurricanes.

908
00:55:56,071 --> 00:55:57,170
Yeah, sure.

909
00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:58,710
same over here, man.

910
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:59,733
Same over here.

911
00:55:59,733 --> 00:56:01,415
Dude, well, Eric, this has been awesome, man.

912
00:56:01,415 --> 00:56:04,839
Seriously, before we jump off, where can everybody follow you again?

913
00:56:04,839 --> 00:56:06,065
Just say one more time.

914
00:56:06,065 --> 00:56:13,318
Yeah, it's at Mechanical Hub, pretty much everywhere, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, at
Mechanical Hub.

915
00:56:15,459 --> 00:56:16,730
It's make trades great again.

916
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:21,382
It's not political, even though that's kind of why I named it that way, because people are
like, wait, what?

917
00:56:21,382 --> 00:56:24,353
uh If I could get one second on my podcast.

918
00:56:24,353 --> 00:56:25,714
So I have a co-host.

919
00:56:25,714 --> 00:56:27,484
His name is Andy Mickelson.

920
00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:30,366
If you could say in your 40s, you got a best friend.

921
00:56:30,366 --> 00:56:31,226
He is my best friend.

922
00:56:31,226 --> 00:56:32,763
um

923
00:56:32,763 --> 00:56:33,543
Known him a long time.

924
00:56:33,543 --> 00:56:35,935
He's a plumbing heating contractor in Missoula, Montana.

925
00:56:35,935 --> 00:56:39,147
I'm in uh Minneapolis, Minnesota area.

926
00:56:39,147 --> 00:56:41,268
And we both run businesses.

927
00:56:41,268 --> 00:56:47,451
And we both talk about how we do our jobs and kind of just how we started out, how we get
through it, decisions we make.

928
00:56:47,451 --> 00:56:48,572
He's got employees.

929
00:56:48,572 --> 00:56:49,142
I don't.

930
00:56:49,142 --> 00:56:51,373
So it's a different conversation all the time.

931
00:56:51,373 --> 00:56:52,174
It's pretty cool.

932
00:56:52,174 --> 00:56:57,997
So if you want to just trade related, easy listening, we don't get too serious.

933
00:56:57,997 --> 00:56:59,277
It's called Make Trades Great Again.

934
00:56:59,277 --> 00:57:00,608
We got about 300 episodes.

935
00:57:00,608 --> 00:57:02,399
So if you want to start at the beginning.

936
00:57:04,057 --> 00:57:05,541
You're not gonna run out.

937
00:57:06,002 --> 00:57:06,962
Yeah.

938
00:57:06,963 --> 00:57:11,283
Hey, up in Minneapolis, have you worked with a structure tech inspectors at all?

939
00:57:11,283 --> 00:57:16,264
ah I follow Ruben and have like talked to him on the phone a few times.

940
00:57:16,264 --> 00:57:32,429
Like that dude, that guy, think now forgive me if I'm wrong or correct me, but I think
that guy's like, like he's like legit really into his job and like very professional and

941
00:57:32,589 --> 00:57:36,500
into education and just sharing information and stuff like that.

942
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,185
At least that's what, from my perspective, that's what I see.

943
00:57:39,185 --> 00:57:42,156
And I've always just followed him on social media.

944
00:57:42,316 --> 00:57:48,999
I've referred people to him ah because I think he has a good reputation and I think that
their company does a good job.

945
00:57:48,999 --> 00:57:52,471
But it seems like he shares some wild stuff.

946
00:57:52,471 --> 00:57:56,902
Like the photos I see, think, man, I'm embarrassed that that's in my state.

947
00:57:57,063 --> 00:58:02,417
He's one of the he's one of the good guys in this industry for sure and knows his stuff
man.

948
00:58:02,537 --> 00:58:04,539
Great team of inspectors for sure.

949
00:58:04,539 --> 00:58:07,060
They've got an awesome podcast to structure talk.

950
00:58:07,060 --> 00:58:11,494
ah He and Tessa Murray who's a building science expert up there.

951
00:58:11,494 --> 00:58:13,545
Actually she moved down to Tampa.

952
00:58:13,545 --> 00:58:14,986
She's just up north of me now.

953
00:58:14,986 --> 00:58:18,345
But but anyway yeah good good people up by you man so.

954
00:58:18,345 --> 00:58:23,648
You know, Eric, I feel like I want to mention this because I want other people to hear it.

955
00:58:23,729 --> 00:58:28,232
know, you, like I said, I consider you an expert in the industry.

956
00:58:28,232 --> 00:58:36,407
You put out a lot of material on plumbing, on HVAC, stuff like this, but also like, you
know, there's a lot of eyes on you and would be in the social media world and you've got a

957
00:58:36,407 --> 00:58:37,798
large audience.

958
00:58:37,838 --> 00:58:42,661
But one thing that I noticed about you early on and that I kind of admired is that you're
not really afraid to just.

959
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:44,030
say whatever you want.

960
00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:53,829
uh And maybe some people wouldn't like it, maybe they would, but you put things out there,
not necessarily business related, like maybe personal, or maybe just stuff that you think

961
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:54,500
is funny.

962
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,632
uh You do that.

963
00:58:56,632 --> 00:59:01,507
And I talked to you about it one time a while back, and you said something to me that
really resonated.

964
00:59:01,507 --> 00:59:04,589
uh you just, no, no, no, I think it's great.

965
00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:07,995
You just said that you just try not to take.

966
00:59:07,995 --> 00:59:16,650
all of that too seriously and that you're constantly reminding yourself that social media
is really a place for it to be entertained.

967
00:59:17,872 --> 00:59:19,673
that really resonated with me.

968
00:59:19,673 --> 00:59:24,456
And I've kind of lived with that's where I want to mention on this podcast is one of the
people to hear it.

969
00:59:24,456 --> 00:59:29,580
I mean, I think we all need that reminder every now and again that that isn't actually
real life.

970
00:59:29,580 --> 00:59:35,043
I mean, look, we're doing real life things like we were telling you about our jobs and
things we're doing that.

971
00:59:35,043 --> 00:59:37,985
But that is not real life.

972
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:39,937
What's happening there isn't real.

973
00:59:41,075 --> 00:59:41,935
thanks for saying that.

974
00:59:41,935 --> 00:59:42,535
I appreciate that.

975
00:59:42,535 --> 00:59:45,455
And it's amazing you even remember we had that conversation.

976
00:59:45,455 --> 00:59:47,295
Thank you for listening.

977
00:59:47,315 --> 00:59:51,195
I mean it when I say you can't be too serious.

978
00:59:51,195 --> 00:59:51,955
Here's the deal.

979
00:59:51,955 --> 00:59:54,815
Look, I share information all the time.

980
00:59:54,815 --> 00:59:57,635
And I do it because I truly want to.

981
00:59:57,635 --> 01:00:07,485
And if it was such a burden and a job, and it was just a chore and I just had to do it,
you'd

982
01:00:07,485 --> 01:00:08,896
I'm not going to be interested in it.

983
01:00:08,896 --> 01:00:10,378
You're going to know right away.

984
01:00:10,378 --> 01:00:12,279
And it's just not as fun.

985
01:00:12,279 --> 01:00:16,783
Do you want to go home every day and be like, man, my job sucked today.

986
01:00:17,464 --> 01:00:21,007
My job sucked, and I just love how bad it sucks.

987
01:00:21,007 --> 01:00:21,788
No.

988
01:00:21,788 --> 01:00:27,672
Just kind of try to keep it light a little bit, because the job always gets done.

989
01:00:27,753 --> 01:00:30,323
We're going to share information tomorrow.

990
01:00:30,323 --> 01:00:32,223
I'm going to make another video.

991
01:00:32,223 --> 01:00:37,283
Like this isn't this one video that didn't do good or you somebody had a bad comment on
it.

992
01:00:37,283 --> 01:00:37,903
I didn't like it.

993
01:00:37,903 --> 01:00:39,963
Like, I'm not going to let that bother me.

994
01:00:39,963 --> 01:00:43,463
I'm just, I'm going to forget about it tomorrow when I post the next video, that kind of
thing.

995
01:00:43,463 --> 01:00:45,703
Like it's not that important.

996
01:00:45,703 --> 01:00:52,983
And you can, you can, you know, what's the whole, like you attract a lot more, you know,
what is it honey?

997
01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:57,763
I don't know what the saying is, whatever, but you know what I mean?

998
01:00:57,763 --> 01:01:00,203
Like, like I think people are,

999
01:01:00,347 --> 01:01:05,890
like automatically attracted to other people that are just like a little more upbeat, a
little more real.

1000
01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:07,871
Like, you can say things how they are.

1001
01:01:07,871 --> 01:01:09,281
You don't have to insult people.

1002
01:01:09,281 --> 01:01:10,402
You can just say it the way it is.

1003
01:01:10,402 --> 01:01:13,113
Or if you have an opinion about it, share your opinion.

1004
01:01:13,113 --> 01:01:13,653
You know?

1005
01:01:13,653 --> 01:01:15,034
Like, that's OK.

1006
01:01:15,034 --> 01:01:16,155
Don't be so worried about it.

1007
01:01:16,155 --> 01:01:16,785
That's my take.

1008
01:01:16,785 --> 01:01:17,341
Sorry.

1009
01:01:17,341 --> 01:01:20,934
That's the best Midwest nice note that we could possibly end on.

1010
01:01:20,934 --> 01:01:21,943
love it.

1011
01:01:23,446 --> 01:01:24,887
That's perfect.

1012
01:01:24,887 --> 01:01:25,397
All right.

1013
01:01:25,397 --> 01:01:27,950
Well, seriously, Eric, thanks so much for being on the show, man.

1014
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:28,741
This has been great.

1015
01:01:28,741 --> 01:01:30,692
We got to do it again sometime soon.

1016
01:01:30,692 --> 01:01:33,945
And thank you guys, everybody for, for listening and watching.

1017
01:01:33,945 --> 01:01:39,280
Be sure to share this, be sure to subscribe to the show, follow the newsletter and sign up
for Inspection Fuel, of course.

1018
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,121
And, know, we'll see you right here next time.

1019
01:01:41,121 --> 01:01:41,721
Better than ever.

1020
01:01:41,721 --> 01:01:42,942
Right on.

1021
01:01:43,983 --> 01:01:45,094
You got it.