Could home inspections be a home buyer's key to a healthy life? - featuring Cristina Greenfield

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Guys, it is 2026.

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And man, if you're already sick of things, well, this is going to be a great episode for
all of y'all.

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You see what I did there, Matt?

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Hey, yeah, because we are talking today, about healthy homes and why they matter and how
we as inspectors can help home buyers get into truly healthy homes that are going to

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promote a uh truly holistic quality of life as they're going about their existence,
hopefully for 30 years or more.

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in this property that they're acquiring.

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we've got a great guest for that today.

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But Matt, before we talk about that, dude is 2026 man.

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to 2026.

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See, and that was a good lead in like this is a good way to go into 2026 with a health
conscious mind, right?

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Like I think that's a great way.

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So yeah.

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doing dry January I've tried and failed twice.

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Okay, just being honest.

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I can't, like I'm not telling you I'm doing dry gin anywhere.

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I can't say that, right?

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However, because I'm gonna go there.

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I'm gonna get into that stuff, you know?

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But I mean, like I have cut down and really it's not about the alcohol for me so much.

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It's about the poor choices, like in terms of like food or late night food or something
that happens whenever maybe alcohol is involved.

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And so to try to...

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I need to trim some pounds, man, you know, and in order to try to remain focused on that,
I decided to cut back on the alcohol a little bit.

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So I mean, I'm not doing, I'm not doing dry January.

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I will be, I will be on it in January, but, uh, I think it's been almost two weeks since I
had a That's dryer.

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needs.

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But actually, no, it's like, know, Christina Greenfield's our guest today.

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Let's go ahead and introduce you here because you have, first of all, such a diversified
background.

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And I want to tell some of the listeners about what you do because you have quite a
insight into what holistic healthy living looks like and how it all starts with your

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environment.

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So please go ahead and Matt, first of all, introduce how you know her.

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And then Christine, I want to hear all about you.

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sure, yeah, well, you know, we've kind of been friends for a while now.

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We met through social media.

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Christina actually hired me to inspect her house.

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And so I did an 11-month warranty inspection.

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She lives relatively close to my neighborhood, or not neighborhood, in my area.

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And I actually did a 11-month warranty inspection on her house.

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And since then, we've just kind of become friends.

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And we have done a few things together in terms of...

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educating and and gotten together on some things that we are actually going to a little
bit later because she has some things that she but before I go into that really I need to

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know like first of all welcome to the show and second of all like did our PR team take
care of you like did you get everything that was in your rider are you good

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em I did not get all blue &Ms as requested, you know, everything else shook out, so I was
gonna let that one slide.

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Well, we've got to work on that.

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It's something new we implemented this year.

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Well, you know, but no, seriously, we, um, we're so glad to have you here on the show.

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And I think really a really good place to start.

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You know, we had Matt rising her on last year in the middle of last year sometime.

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And one of the questions I asked him was, you know, how he defines a high performance home
or high performance building.

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And so I feel like that's a natural place to start with you.

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Like what exactly is your definition, of

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a healthy home.

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let's get our background too, first of all.

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Yeah.

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We'll get there.

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We'll get there.

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No, thank you guys.

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Thank you for inviting me on.

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I've said often, Matt, that our conversation should have been recorded as podcasts because
they just roll and they just flow and they're just so, so good.

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So we're finally doing it.

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uh I'm very excited to be here.

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You know what?

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That is one of his gifts.

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Yes.

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And I think it's funny how you introduced me.

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That's how I introduce myself to you, is I lured you to my home.

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And I was like, oh, this is perfect.

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I paid, I paid.

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If you have to, you have to do little treats of bourbon like you know, bread crumbs.

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Yes, yes, just the small ones.

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It was called hard cash, yes.

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that's, you know what, actually that's the best way that I've found um to really like vet
people is, you know, let them work on my house.

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So it's been good, yes.

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So back to your question.

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What is a healthy home?

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uh You know, my first answer was gonna be it depends.

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It depends on everyone, but you framed the question, what do you define as a healthy home?

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So I'll let you know.

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I think a focus on indoor air quality, super high for me.

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A house that manages water, so not just bulk water, but also vapor, super, super
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um And then, you know, a house that's well maintained.

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So that's on, you know, that's on my husband and I.

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And in order to maintain it, we've got a schedule, we've got monitors everywhere, so we
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You know, we really, we have a dumb house purposefully.

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We don't want a smart house, but.

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We have little monitors everywhere so that we know kind of what's going on in every room
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is not built in a vacuum.

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It's got to be maintained.

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And, you know, I've engaged with you, I think twice now.

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First at the 11-month warranty and then I think we did another one after.

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I think we did.

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I don't remember.

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No, no, it's only ever been you, Matt.

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It's only ever been you.

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So...

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But part of that is just making sure that professionals put their eyes on the house too,
because we get so busy.

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And sometimes our home is just a place that we just come to sleep.

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And that's where a lot of problems can arise when you don't really know what's going on
with your home.

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So you can't be proactive.

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Because some of those problems, they were a small problem to begin with.

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And then nobody did anything about them became a big problem.

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So yeah.

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funny because a lot of that seems to align very much so with a high performance home, you
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all of these, you know, awesome, crazy technological details.

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It was really just one that works really well is really what he considers to be high
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And so with that being said, like, you know, and like Brad said, like talking about like
background, like

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Like your origin, like how you ended up here.

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I mean, you have a bit of a story there.

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I think you let us know like what led you down this path.

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Like what was the turning point in life that let you down this path?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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it was necessity.

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So I was just going on about my life.

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I've been a lawyer for 14 years.

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So I was just doing my lawyer thing, uh making a lot of money and spending a lot of money.

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And my husband and I were, uh you we were just in the middle of it, young kids.

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uh You know, we had one baby at the time that we moved into this one house and then we
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And long story short, that house had uh a lot of hidden toxic mold.

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And so the symptoms started showing in my oldest daughter who was developing completely

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you know, on schedule up until the time that we moved into the home.

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And then it turns out through, you know, lot of testing, genetic testing, finding the
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misdiagnosed with autism as a result of her symptoms.

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um We found the right doctors and they asked the right questions.

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You know, what happened?

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What changed when your daughter's development, you when you noticed the difference in her
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So we went through an extensive remediation.

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um We ended up

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you know, fixing the issue with that house, disclosing, selling, moving.

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And then our big dream was, well, I'm going to build, I'm going to build a healthy home.

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And I started on the path that like many people do, which is I don't want that same mess
that, that I had, you know, so my first thing was I want a mold free home.

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And then I figured out very quickly, that's not, that's not actually the goal at all.

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I started studying building science because I was really blessed to be able to have a
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So I left all the health and medical to her.

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But I was like, I still have to find the right structure to put my family in and I can't
let this mistake happen to us again.

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And the mistake was, we hired all the right professionals when we bought that home, but we
didn't ask any questions.

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So we got the reports, we looked at the reports, we're like thumbs up, thumbs down.

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Everybody was like thumbs up, we bought the house, and we bought all the issues that came
with the house, right?

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So a completely kind of uneducated consumer.

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uh So I knew I had to change that.

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Because I don't live in a victim mentality.

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I'm not real focused on what went wrong, but I had to focus for my family's sake on what
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So I became a certified Passive House Builder.

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And you're familiar with Passive House because I know you're familiar with Passive House.

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all in that.

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em And that really helped me to understand the real issues, which are how homes perform.

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em And it's not mold.

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That's the issue.

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is actually a symptom.

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So much like we get sick and we have a cough, that's a symptom.

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Something's going on in your body.

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When mold finds its way into the home, something's going on with the home.

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It's not managing water, it's not managing vapor.

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There's a leak.

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Something is going on.

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And so rather than living in that victim mindset and that fear mentality, I was like, all
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It takes air, takes water, it takes a food source.

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Okay, how do we control that?

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I figured out how to control that.

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And um using my legal background, so I've just been assessing risk for 14 years, right?

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I'm not a litigator, so I'm not the eye-op-chat lawyer, right?

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I'm the lawyer that my clients come to and they're like, hey, we've got a big project and
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We've got a merger, we've got an acquisition, we have things to do, right?

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So I've got to um advise the executives and the board on risk all the time.

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And so that's all this is.

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That's all construction is, is advising people on risk.

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So you have to understand the risk.

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You have to understand the landscape.

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And that's what I took on.

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em And I just, I just started doing that for, for people going through remediations,
renovations, or people like us who went through an experience that made them want to build

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their own home.

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And the very first question is, what is a healthy home to you?

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Because as you know, not an industry defined term, can't just throw that blanket statement
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it's almost like a buzzword at this point, like, that's the deal.

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But I mean, like the truth of the matter is it's yeah, it's very subjective.

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You know, what all of our wants and needs are different.

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So yeah, what is it to you?

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You know, one thing that I've always admired is like, you know, you said like, like you
hold yourself and other homeowners like accountable.

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Like it wasn't just like.

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fear driven or anything.

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I don't mean to call anybody out, but I mean a lot of people in the mold community or
anybody that's had this issue, at times they can be pointing the finger a lot.

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And I mean, don't get me wrong, there's people and there's things to blame, but you just
have a completely different approach as far as learning what it is that's going to cause

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these type of issues and how to prevent them.

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I don't know, I just always admired that.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate that.

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I work really hard at that because, again, with the legal background, have never been
successful in convincing a counterparty anything different by berating them, by pointing

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the finger at them, by saying, it's all your fault, you're wrong, you're terrible, you're
horrible.

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That's not the way we move the needle if we want to see change in this industry and if we
want to see people really being able to invest in homes that last 100 years.

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So we have to find the middle ground and we have to understand this is all just risk
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What is the risk?

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What are we going to do?

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Who's going to take it on and who's going to pay?

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I mean, that's all it is.

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There's a couple of things there that I really want to get into later in the conversation
as well, specifically um how older homes can be made to be healthy homes.

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Because again, there are houses that have existed for 100 to 200 years.

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They've been here a long time.

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I've gotten to inspect a bunch up in DC.

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There's a ton of them here in Nashville, where I live now, and even back in Florida as
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But the trick is like, there's people that will come in and they'll, they'll renovate and
modernize and update some of these.

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now Matt and I,

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We're trying to go and look at, did they heavy up framing properly?

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If they put an addition on to what was once a small house, is the load supported
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ah Was the old crawl space encapsulated properly?

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These are all things that can contribute to healthy homes, but there's a proper way also,
I think, to truly ensure that ah the houses will last for another 100 years in terms of

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actually being uh clean places to live so that folks are.

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holistically well while they're there.

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But let's circle back quickly on passive homes because you know what that is, Matt knows
what that is, but there's not going to be a lot of inspectors that understand that term.

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in effort to prevent there being another buzzword, let's talk about that.

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uh What is a passive home for those that don't know?

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Yeah, so passive.

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a bug word, yeah, that actually is specific.

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It's yeah it's a real thing.

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So passive passive building is building methodology that was started in Europe and the
very simple explanation is it focuses on the building envelope first which genius right.

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ah And so with the with the building envelope and with a level of air tightness which is
far far above code.

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managing water, managing vapor, having all the control layers being continuous.

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They talk about like a red pen test where if you're looking at the actual drawings, you
should be able to trace without picking your pen up the various control layers, air,

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water, vapor, thermal, right?

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There should be no breaks.

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That should be continuous and that way you have the full protection of what each of those
layers is supposed to do.

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But it starts with design.

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In the passive house, it starts with design.

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You focus on the building envelope and then some people...

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you know, automatically are going to say, no, we know that there's a lot of dangers with
tight houses and tight houses are very, very unhealthy.

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And so passive house is not the way to go.

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Well, to those folks, I say, well, then it hasn't been done.

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It's a system.

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It's not just the envelope.

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We start with the envelope.

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It's not just the envelope.

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It has to be a well-balanced and designed and installed mechanical system as well that
accounts for expelling and bringing in air through dedicated areas as opposed to

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construction defects.

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Right.

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That's the trade off.

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When we make a house tight, we make sure that you're not getting any of that air
infiltration or exfiltration from places that aren't actually filtered.

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So fresh air, healthy home.

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ah And so, yeah, so that's what Passive House is and it's incredible network.

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I have found so many professionals because I don't represent myself as being somebody
who's been in the construction industry their entire career.

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have not.

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uh But what I think is great about that and why I have no ego about that at all is I think
because it's learnable.

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It's learnable.

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You know, and you should be empowered that it's learnable.

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You as a homeowner need to know.

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You might not have to go crazy into the details, but you need to know what you're looking
at, what you're asking for, what you're talking about ah in order to make sure that you

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set yourself up for success, you know, with these professionals.

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But I think think Passive House gets you for a healthy home.

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Passive House gets you most of the way there.

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I think what that methodology doesn't necessarily talk about.

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is material handling and specifications.

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And so that's where you really start thinking about healthy materials.

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What are you doing?

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How are they getting delivered to the site?

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Where are they being placed?

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How do you quantify when you should be able to go ahead and dry in?

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How dry is dry enough for the framing?

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so those things aren't, they're not really built into passive house.

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But that's where my methodology when I'm working with homeowners is.

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I'm saying, there's tests that Passive House will support a healthier environment and then
we need to layer these other things on if in fact that is how these individuals define

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healthy home, that they need those types of things.

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Now, that's brilliant, absolutely, especially because, know, Matt and I, both see
properties and neighborhoods that get chucked up so fast during the most inopportune

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season simply because it's, you know, construction right now is all about meeting demand
where supply has been lacking for so long, you know.

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So they'll skip over all these things.

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The houses won't get dried in properly.

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And when they do start the drying process, everything has been soaked for so long because
they're building during the wet season.

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Yeah, that's hard.

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that's something to consider there.

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But, you know, we've mentioned some absolute standards when it comes to passive house.

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And then we've also talked about how healthy homes can be relative.

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as someone that looks for objective truth in an age of nuance, in a world of nuance, what
are some things that might be misconceptions about a healthy home or a passive

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Things that might be misconceptions about a healthy home.

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think that um people believe that if a home is new, it should be healthy.

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And just like as a blanket statement, right?

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Even if it's a production builder situation, they're like, it's brand new.

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This home should be perfect.

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I should never have to touch it.

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I shouldn't have to look at it.

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um And to those people, I try to help educate them.

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Again, going back to the fact that a healthy home is not built in a vacuum.

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But also just understanding the nature of the production build environment, which I'm not
knocking.

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There's certainly a purpose for it.

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But you have to know the limitations.

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Like you said, it's a environment that's built for volume, right?

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They're building the same thing over and over again.

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They're doing it quickly and they're selling them quickly.

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And so to build a home that has a level of air tightness and that actually manages the
control, you know, with the control layers, it takes a really skilled labor force to do

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that.

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That's not...

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That's not just anybody just doing it quickly with no oversight.

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And even people who are skilled and do it a lot still appreciate the oversight because
things can be missed.

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We're limited by our own senses, right?

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uh And so I think that, um and I almost blame it, not blame it, but maybe attribute it for
myself really.

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to the age of HGTV.

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Like many of us really grew up watching HGTV, loving HGTV and watching all the, you know,
this guy, this one person is like a butterfly hunter and this other person is, you know,

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uh I don't know, I don't know what they are, but like these crazy careers that you're
like, yeah, and they have these incredible budgets and all they're doing is aesthetics,

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you know?

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So we walk into a place and we're like, ooh, how can I change these countertops?

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How can I add wallpaper?

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You know, and all this stuff.

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And we're really focused on aesthetics when really we need to be focusing for our own
health and for the benefit of our investment.

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We've got to be focusing on things we can't actually see.

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um

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education.

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That's, it's honestly it is.

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And you on your Instagram, you hit on this as well.

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ah That I guess in 2025, healthy homes kind of became a buzzword.

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And there's some misinformation that kind of crept into the influencer space around
healthy homes.

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ah People that only get their education from, you know, HGTV here, let's put some gray
paint on the bathroom and call it a flip.

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uh Or, you know, I've walked into houses and customers have leaned right up against the
load bearing wall and go, can we just knock this out?

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And I'm like, you like property brothers, don't you?

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They're like, we love them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, right.

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Yeah.

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But it's even more accessible now because of TikTok and Instagram and things like this.

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So how can home buyers kind of weed out fact from fiction so that they're better educated?

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I would say just be very discerning where you get your information.

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And if it seems too easy and too good to be true, it probably is.

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I don't think that building a healthy home has to be difficult and it's not unattainable,
but it does take a level of knowledge and understanding of several different industries to

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really know what you're doing and what you're getting at.

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personally, if I absorb or

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and take information and it makes me feel scared, I automatically stop and I'm like, who
has something to gain out of me being afraid?

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Because anytime I've tried to educate somebody, and if I really have an intent for them to
understand, I want to remove fear.

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I want to give them information to help them make an informed decision.

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I don't want to be the boogeyman saying, if you don't hire me or if you don't work with me
or if you don't know the secret thing that I know, you'll never be able to have a healthy

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home.

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And I'm not saying all influencers are out there saying that, but that's an exaggeration
of some of the level of information that's out there for clicks.

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And so just kind of think about where you're consuming information.

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If it's from an algorithm-based source, then there's probably some behavior modifications
and maybe the presentation of the information that could be a little bit exaggerated.

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And uh from my experience, there's always a middle ground.

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It always depends.

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You know, so like people are saying one type of material is bad all the time.

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It's not, you know, it's not.

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It depends on so many different things.

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And so if you have a house that has that type of material and now you feel terrible about
your house and your investment and you're scared, I mean, what a terrible thing to do to

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people, you know?

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the flood-based paint or Chinese drywall, you know.

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Different story, but I completely agree with that.

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You can sit here and say, you know, X thing or X builder or X product is terrible, but in
all actuality, it comes down to whatever product or whatever specific person was involved,

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how this thing was installed.

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Like there's so many factors.

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You just can't say that.

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I could probably find a couple of.

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you know, products that I would say, nah, stay away from that like completely.

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But like for the most part in general, like it really could.

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There's a whole lot of depending factors.

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It depends.

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Like we we can say that all the time.

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So like as inspectors, you know, we're always finding things like moisture, ventilation
problems, you know, uh air leakage, you know, if we find that kind of stuff.

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But but I mean, like, you know, at what point does something that maybe seem minor?

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uh

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Like, do we need to like start focusing on like, because it can have some bigger
implications down the line?

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Or what are some things that like, from your point of view that you wish inspectors would
maybe uh focus in a little bit more on when we're looking at it from the perspective of a

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healthy home?

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Yeah, humidity comes to mind.

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So, and I think, you know, from an inspection perspective,

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It would be great if there was an inspector who consistently reported and actually
emphasized, hey, you've got elevated humidity here.

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What we really want is below 60%, below 55 % would be great.

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We're looking for that.

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And I noticed in this room, it's 78.

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And in your back room, it was actually 55.

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And so there's a potential that maybe we need to look a little bit further into the
window, for example.

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Maybe there's an issue with the flashing that's causing this room to have more humidity.

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But I think humidity is a really great

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It provides a great map if you know what you're looking for and why you're looking for it.

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em think that em individuals though, people, homeowners, we need to be monitoring our
humidity as well.

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But also just asking, yeah, and asking your inspector, hey, with your tool that's probably
a lot better than my little Amazon hygrometer, could you check?

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Could you see what the, could you set that up when you're doing your assessment?

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Maybe first thing you go set your thing, your monitors up and.

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with your specialized tools, be able to help me understand some humidity tracking here.

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um That's one thing that comes to mind because nobody's focusing on that,

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no, nobody is.

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And in our climate, um it is a really big deal.

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I mean, for me, I can't say that I focus on it.

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I don't have any specialized tools like tech check humidity in different areas of the
house.

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I've been carrying around like a rather nice, I've got one, what's that?

381
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um Aronet Home, have you ever heard of that one?

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I carry that one around.

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And it just is in my gear, usually in the kitchen.

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Usually I can get a reading on it.

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You know, can check the thermostats and stuff.

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The thing is for me, like a lot of times when I walk into a house that has humidity
problems, I can feel it.

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I can smell it.

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You know, like it's just there.

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And now this time of year, you know, it's a little bit more difficult because we like
yesterday, I think it was yesterday, day before, something like that.

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were doing an inspection in the evening on a house warranty inspection and

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And first of all, talking about humidity, mean, this is one of these things that like as
an inspector and someone that's fascinated with building science, I've had to, I've

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continually gotten educated on that.

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I can tell you that I have more of a grasp on dehumidification now than I did even a year
or two ago.

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Um, I mean, there was a time, cause it's just not part of our scope.

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Really.

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It's not, um, find it.

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Well, it is tough to do, but like the find and at least the Texas SOP, like humidity ain't
there.

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Like it's not, it's not mentioned.

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Yeah.

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um, and so, but, yet it's one of the things that's killing our buildings out here and
making a lot of causing a lot of problems and causing a lot of homeowners, a lot of health

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issues, or it could be a contributing factor anyway.

402
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And it's, can be from a, a series of different things.

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Most of the time it seems, uh, first of all, I'd say every house needs a dehumidifier.

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Second of all, um, pressure imbalances all always, almost always related to HVAC.

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Um, you know, air intakes bringing in too much air.

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There's all kinds of like contributing factors.

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Um, but, but I have.

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you know, had to have conversations with people this time of year.

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It's a little tough.

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I'm like, I'll look at them and go, what's your humidity like during, the summer?

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And sometimes they'll go, oh, it's not bad.

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Like it's in the sixties.

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And I'm like, well, you know, that may not feel that bad.

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Um, I walked into a house the other day.

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It was about 2,600 square feet and it had a four 10 AC for a house that was built one year
ago.

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If I'm just judging by the size of the house, granted, not doing a manual J calculation.

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from the size alone, house versus condenser, that was a little bit big.

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And so I was asking them where their humidity was at and they told me, no, no, it's great.

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It's like in the sixties.

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And I'm like, well, it shouldn't be in the sixties.

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So of course, they're one year, they got another year before their HVAC warranty expires.

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And I'm like, hey, monitor that, get you some.

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And this is what you were talking about, you know, cause as homeowners, I mean, we can
only do what we can do as inspectors, but my advice was get some hygrometers, put them in

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that different rooms.

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find out where your humidity is at because there's a chance that you have something going
on or your HVAC system might be improperly sized.

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And that can be creating some humidity issues because you need to be in the 50s or below.

427
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Like you need be 55 or below.

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That's where you need to be.

429
00:26:45,705 --> 00:26:50,145
If it's hitting that 60 mark, we're in an area where it could be a problem.

430
00:26:50,145 --> 00:26:55,225
it's, once you get above that, of course we're getting more more problematic the higher
you get.

431
00:26:55,225 --> 00:26:56,905
70s, we've got a real problem.

432
00:26:56,905 --> 00:27:00,678
And so, and this is the things I don't think everyone knows.

433
00:27:00,678 --> 00:27:00,995
No.

434
00:27:00,995 --> 00:27:06,273
can tell you as a home inspector, when I started, I didn't, I didn't know that either.

435
00:27:06,273 --> 00:27:08,997
And so, so I think you're right.

436
00:27:08,997 --> 00:27:14,465
Even if it's as little as having the grasp on that, like where is a healthy level of
humidity?

437
00:27:14,465 --> 00:27:15,757
Like for a home?

438
00:27:15,757 --> 00:27:16,812
I think that's important.

439
00:27:16,812 --> 00:27:17,103
yeah.

440
00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:24,857
And it would be, like you said, even if you could set up like one monitor when you begin
uh your inspection in the kitchen.

441
00:27:24,857 --> 00:27:34,033
And if you get a rating of 70, then you might be, well, you might wanna have further
assessments because like for a mold inspection, for example, they're always gonna assess

442
00:27:34,033 --> 00:27:34,897
humidity.

443
00:27:34,897 --> 00:27:35,487
Right.

444
00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:39,429
Because they know that that's a driving factor for microbial growth.

445
00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:48,725
And the reason why there's a range, some people are like, oh, know, some influencers are
saying at 55%, like if your hygrometer says 55%, suddenly automatically you've got mold

446
00:27:48,725 --> 00:27:49,395
everywhere.

447
00:27:49,395 --> 00:27:53,147
And I'm like, no, that's not, it's got to be, you know, it's over a period of time.

448
00:27:53,147 --> 00:27:55,879
It's sustained where that's what you're trying to find a trend.

449
00:27:55,879 --> 00:28:03,557
It's not nothing in a vacuum, but also uh these monitors, even the ones on the wall,
especially.

450
00:28:03,557 --> 00:28:06,889
are usually off by a few percentages, you know?

451
00:28:06,889 --> 00:28:11,590
And so if you're getting a 60 % reading on the one at the wall, it's probably actually
higher.

452
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:12,911
You're just not getting that.

453
00:28:12,911 --> 00:28:18,804
And with some species of mold, they're actually called self-originating molds.

454
00:28:18,804 --> 00:28:22,165
And you probably know this, but they grow at 60 % humidity.

455
00:28:22,165 --> 00:28:23,596
So all they need is humidity to grow.

456
00:28:23,596 --> 00:28:26,017
They've already got the building material, air is all around.

457
00:28:26,017 --> 00:28:29,818
And so with that, you know, 60 % humidity, they're able to kind of flourish.

458
00:28:29,818 --> 00:28:31,197
And those are some of the...

459
00:28:31,197 --> 00:28:33,819
the molds that you will find like in the wall cavities and things like that.

460
00:28:33,819 --> 00:28:43,227
So over the same period of time, if people don't know what their humidity is, but you
know, they're thinking that it's on the higher level, that's why that 50 to 55 % is ideal

461
00:28:43,227 --> 00:28:47,303
because at 60, because we don't know, you know, if their monitors are accurate, right?

462
00:28:47,303 --> 00:28:51,483
So like at 60, you're like, oh, you need to really look at that.

463
00:28:51,567 --> 00:29:03,794
I also wonder when it comes to testing processes, uh if at the beginning of the inspection
would be the right time because some of the factors that are going to play into humidity

464
00:29:03,794 --> 00:29:06,716
levels at home also depend on how many kids are in the house.

465
00:29:06,716 --> 00:29:08,437
Are they coming and going in and out of the house?

466
00:29:08,437 --> 00:29:10,658
Is the door going to be possibly open and closed?

467
00:29:10,658 --> 00:29:17,822
Are they like my mom who, as soon as it's a 60 degree day, opens every window in the
spring because we need to air the house out.

468
00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:19,999
yeah, burp in the house.

469
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:20,900
Yeah.

470
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,140
so, I mean, there's things like that.

471
00:29:22,140 --> 00:29:29,945
And when you're doing the inspection, there's a lot of in and out, at least, ah you know,
I do the exterior first and then come to the interior.

472
00:29:29,945 --> 00:29:34,213
But just that little bit of opening and closing people coming and going from the
inspection.

473
00:29:34,213 --> 00:29:39,921
I wonder if that would be enough to throw it or if it needs to be tested more like radon
where it needs to be closed home conditions.

474
00:29:39,921 --> 00:29:40,531
Yeah, you're right.

475
00:29:40,531 --> 00:29:43,923
Yeah, you're probably right to actually get it to get a true to get a real true reading.

476
00:29:43,923 --> 00:29:45,353
Yeah.

477
00:29:46,514 --> 00:29:49,255
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

478
00:29:49,255 --> 00:29:50,635
That's a really good point.

479
00:29:51,356 --> 00:30:00,340
And I think I think the other one, Matt, remind me, do you do you actually look at the
HVAC system like you go up and you look in the attic and you sort of like look at the

480
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,181
HVAC, but you don't touch it or get into it, right?

481
00:30:03,321 --> 00:30:05,062
During your inspections or no?

482
00:30:05,862 --> 00:30:06,782
Yeah.

483
00:30:07,463 --> 00:30:08,057
Yeah.

484
00:30:08,057 --> 00:30:15,077
I'm fortunate whenever there's like an access panel to look at the evaporator coil.

485
00:30:15,077 --> 00:30:17,457
I got a funny story about that.

486
00:30:17,597 --> 00:30:28,737
You know, most of the time whenever they install, most of the time when they install these
HVAC systems, they don't leave an access panel for us to look at the evaporator coil.

487
00:30:28,737 --> 00:30:30,605
But if they do,

488
00:30:30,645 --> 00:30:34,465
Or, especially like if it's an older house with a replace unit, sometimes they leave one
of those.

489
00:30:34,465 --> 00:30:35,545
There's an access.

490
00:30:35,545 --> 00:30:36,345
We're going to open up.

491
00:30:36,345 --> 00:30:37,245
We're going to look at that, right?

492
00:30:37,245 --> 00:30:40,925
Because that could be a really good spot to determine what's going on inside there, right?

493
00:30:40,925 --> 00:30:43,325
If it's dirty, nasty moldy, we got a problem.

494
00:30:43,325 --> 00:30:45,225
If it's clean as a whistle, great.

495
00:30:45,665 --> 00:30:49,085
But I would say 99 % of them we can't see.

496
00:30:49,085 --> 00:30:53,645
it's, and I mean, 99.9 % of new construction houses.

497
00:30:53,705 --> 00:30:59,585
I've only seen it one time and it just so happened that two units.

498
00:30:59,605 --> 00:31:04,305
you know, side by side in the attic and they had the access panels.

499
00:31:04,305 --> 00:31:09,385
So we pulled them, we looked at them and in one of them, there was a ton of water sitting
in the bottom of it, which wasn't supposed to be the case.

500
00:31:09,385 --> 00:31:11,445
Like the coil was sitting in water.

501
00:31:11,445 --> 00:31:12,845
It wasn't draining properly.

502
00:31:12,845 --> 00:31:13,925
Not supposed to do that.

503
00:31:13,925 --> 00:31:16,425
And then the other one, the coil was damaged.

504
00:31:16,425 --> 00:31:20,965
You could see all these dents in the, the, in the coil and all the fins were damaged and
everything.

505
00:31:20,965 --> 00:31:22,865
And so we've got pictures of both of those things.

506
00:31:22,865 --> 00:31:24,557
And then, um,

507
00:31:24,725 --> 00:31:27,845
I was driving to another job like the next day and I got a call.

508
00:31:27,845 --> 00:31:30,745
My wife handles the phones for the office.

509
00:31:30,745 --> 00:31:33,785
She goes, Hey, I got a call.

510
00:31:33,785 --> 00:31:36,065
You're supposed to call this builder back.

511
00:31:36,065 --> 00:31:37,445
And it was a guy had met him.

512
00:31:37,445 --> 00:31:38,845
I his name was Jake.

513
00:31:38,845 --> 00:31:40,525
We're going to say his name with Jake.

514
00:31:40,525 --> 00:31:41,985
Not Jake from state farm.

515
00:31:41,985 --> 00:31:42,765
Another drink.

516
00:31:43,005 --> 00:31:49,405
So I said, uh, she goes, you apparently something about you guys.

517
00:31:49,663 --> 00:31:54,124
checking the AC wrong and opening it up and weren't supposed to look inside of it or
something like that.

518
00:31:54,124 --> 00:31:55,356
And I was like, what?

519
00:31:55,397 --> 00:32:02,641
And uh so about the time I went and looked at the report and I realized, yeah, those,
yeah, like we looked inside of them because we opened the access panel.

520
00:32:02,641 --> 00:32:07,164
And so I called Jake and uh he said, yeah, man, nevermind.

521
00:32:07,164 --> 00:32:13,868
Like he goes, the AC company called and they were livid because they sent the report to
them like, hey, you guys fix this stuff.

522
00:32:13,868 --> 00:32:14,921
And the guy was like,

523
00:32:14,921 --> 00:32:19,603
that inspector has no business dismay, he had to dismantle the unit to look at that and
all this.

524
00:32:19,603 --> 00:32:21,704
He went off and just let him have it.

525
00:32:21,704 --> 00:32:27,586
And then Jake said he went up into the attic and goes, I'm pretty sure they just opened
this access panel here.

526
00:32:27,866 --> 00:32:29,087
Exactly what we did.

527
00:32:29,087 --> 00:32:29,854
He looked at it.

528
00:32:29,854 --> 00:32:32,068
goes, yeah, man, looks just like the picture.

529
00:32:32,068 --> 00:32:32,838
But yeah.

530
00:32:32,838 --> 00:32:35,624
reaction, not like, my gosh, that's something that needs to be fixed.

531
00:32:35,624 --> 00:32:37,307
was like, hell, they shouldn't have found that.

532
00:32:37,307 --> 00:32:40,563
Okay?

533
00:32:40,858 --> 00:32:42,339
Crazy, crazy.

534
00:32:42,339 --> 00:32:44,698
So obviously didn't want to pay to go fix it.

535
00:32:44,698 --> 00:32:45,828
I mean, it's not our problem.

536
00:32:45,828 --> 00:32:47,100
Anyway, good thing we found it.

537
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,621
But we wouldn't have found it had we not had access because we are going to dismantle
this.

538
00:32:50,621 --> 00:32:53,322
We do look at at the unit, see how it's put together.

539
00:32:53,322 --> 00:32:56,452
We oftentimes see a bunch of air leaks around the coils.

540
00:32:56,452 --> 00:33:00,624
They don't do a good job sealing around that ceiling to the furnace to the plenum.

541
00:33:00,624 --> 00:33:02,284
We see leaks in the plenum.

542
00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:06,325
We uh man, I can't tell you how many times, especially during the summer.

543
00:33:06,325 --> 00:33:17,790
You know, we can see what I can only describe as probably a pressure imbalance causing uh
a massive amount of condensation to form on the underside of the evaporator coil.

544
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:22,762
And it's just raining into the pan, you know, and it's the end.

545
00:33:22,762 --> 00:33:24,002
That's a real problem.

546
00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:27,214
Every time you see that there's other problems down the line.

547
00:33:27,214 --> 00:33:30,225
So, yeah, we're not dismantling anything, but there's a lot of things.

548
00:33:30,225 --> 00:33:34,857
If you know what you're looking at, there's a lot of things you can look at and try to
make some determinations.

549
00:33:34,857 --> 00:33:36,208
you know what might be causing problems.

550
00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:37,199
And that's our job, right?

551
00:33:37,199 --> 00:33:40,641
We go up there and we're like, Hey, this isn't right.

552
00:33:40,641 --> 00:33:43,043
This problem right here shouldn't be happening.

553
00:33:43,043 --> 00:33:45,024
This needs to be further evaluated.

554
00:33:45,024 --> 00:33:45,925
That's what we do.

555
00:33:45,925 --> 00:33:46,605
Right?

556
00:33:46,605 --> 00:33:49,928
I try to get as close to, and this is everything I do.

557
00:33:49,928 --> 00:33:56,032
I try to get as close as I can to finding what I believe to be the, the, the culprit.

558
00:33:56,032 --> 00:33:59,995
Because if I can hold their hand and say, right here, here is your problem.

559
00:33:59,995 --> 00:34:03,267
Um, look right here, then

560
00:34:03,718 --> 00:34:06,439
My clients tend to see a little bit better results.

561
00:34:06,620 --> 00:34:10,752
And so through my experience, I've learned to try to trace that down as narrow as I can.

562
00:34:10,752 --> 00:34:12,423
But still there's a limit to what I can do.

563
00:34:12,423 --> 00:34:23,040
oh But really the idea in the name of the game is figuring out a reason to have, and not a
CYA reason, not just like, I'm gonna have somebody look at it because I don't know what

564
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:23,490
I'm doing.

565
00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:27,667
Like if there's something wrong, we ask somebody to come take a look at

566
00:34:27,667 --> 00:34:28,167
Absolutely.

567
00:34:28,167 --> 00:34:34,647
Well, it's a part of a system that requires a licensed professional to look at it, then a
licensed professional needs to go look at it.

568
00:34:34,647 --> 00:34:40,567
mean, that's just, you know, that is just gathering information, which I think is really
valuable.

569
00:34:40,567 --> 00:34:50,467
And that's one thing that I really appreciated about your reports, is that they were
really written in a way that, you know, I could read it and I could say, okay, I know what

570
00:34:50,467 --> 00:34:51,167
needs to be done.

571
00:34:51,167 --> 00:34:54,107
Okay, I can make my checklist of like, this needs to be done now.

572
00:34:54,107 --> 00:34:55,879
This can be done next year.

573
00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:58,240
you know, it is.

574
00:34:58,241 --> 00:35:05,035
that's one thing that think uh homeowners, if they're not already doing that, when they
get your reports, when they get reports from inspectors, you need to put it in your

575
00:35:05,035 --> 00:35:10,788
binder, your home binder, highlight the things and categorize the things that you're going
to action now or later.

576
00:35:10,788 --> 00:35:19,353
Because, you know, especially if it's a new home uh inspection, you can get ahead of
issues, you know, but you can't ignore issues and expect that you're not going to have a

577
00:35:19,353 --> 00:35:22,735
problem after the warranty's already expired and now it's all on you.

578
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,300
Well, I want to talk about getting ahead of issues.

579
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:35,314
And one of the things that I loved on your website and on social media is how you talk
about that process starts from the site selection, from the point of the site selection.

580
00:35:35,314 --> 00:35:38,405
A healthy home isn't just an existing structure.

581
00:35:38,405 --> 00:35:41,047
It goes even into the planning of where you're to put the house.

582
00:35:41,047 --> 00:35:50,531
And one of the things that people don't often think about, because again, we're kind of
constrained a bit more often than not to the decisions of builders when they're putting in

583
00:35:50,531 --> 00:35:52,037
neighborhoods and subdivisions.

584
00:35:52,037 --> 00:36:06,139
But I've seen so many of these houses that are backing up in these subdivisions right up
against or right behind massive high frequency electrical towers and electric lines.

585
00:36:06,139 --> 00:36:14,066
And you point out that there could be potentially hazards from electromagnetic fields when
you're exposed to those over a long period of time.

586
00:36:14,066 --> 00:36:20,851
And while some studies suggest that those EMFs could kind of drop off after about 650
feet,

587
00:36:20,851 --> 00:36:22,193
stepping away from them.

588
00:36:22,193 --> 00:36:31,063
Still, you're talking about a 30-year or more investment and where you're going to be
existing as a neighbor to this crackling power line for decades.

589
00:36:31,063 --> 00:36:38,571
ah So what studies are out there as far as the potential effects that those can have uh in
terms of your long-term?

590
00:36:38,983 --> 00:36:42,045
Yeah, so I think that that's really a developing area of research.

591
00:36:42,045 --> 00:36:45,207
so em I'm certainly no expert in EMF.

592
00:36:45,207 --> 00:36:50,560
There are other building biologists who actually study that as a core piece of their
coursework.

593
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,152
And those people can be find on buildingbiologyinstitute.com.

594
00:36:54,152 --> 00:36:58,555
Find a professional and you're looking for somebody who can specifically measure EMFs.

595
00:36:58,659 --> 00:37:06,748
There are some individuals who seem to be more symptomatic when they are close or exposed
to a lot of electromagnetic frequencies.

596
00:37:06,748 --> 00:37:16,007
And I think just from a very high level, the idea that electromagnetic frequencies could
impact our health makes sense to me because, you know, it's just, like we're, there's

597
00:37:16,007 --> 00:37:18,119
definitely a communication between.

598
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:25,512
like the cell phone and the cell phone tower, like something is actually there, you know,
and our bodies are made of soft tissue.

599
00:37:25,512 --> 00:37:34,916
And so if we're constantly exposed to whatever is being transmitted, maybe it's because
you already have a sensitivity and so you're more susceptible, similar to mold and mold

600
00:37:34,916 --> 00:37:35,367
exposure.

601
00:37:35,367 --> 00:37:43,030
Like not everybody's going to have the same symptoms, but depending on your toxic load,
you may experience it differently, you know, more pronounced than other people.

602
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:45,523
I think of electromagnetic frequency as the same.

603
00:37:45,523 --> 00:37:50,867
uh And there are studies actually that show that electromagnetic frequencies, I think it's
by uh Dr.

604
00:37:50,867 --> 00:37:51,538
Klinghardt.

605
00:37:51,538 --> 00:37:57,072
I have them listed on my website, different resources that people can go look at and kind
of determine for themselves if it might be an issue.

606
00:37:57,072 --> 00:38:05,499
uh But uh yeah, but there are studies that show that the electromagnetic frequencies
actually exacerbate, they could be exacerbating mold growth.

607
00:38:05,499 --> 00:38:15,227
And so they had like uh a uh control substance and then they had another substance next to
the uh EMS and that

608
00:38:15,281 --> 00:38:20,765
that em sample seemed to grow more than the one that was not close to the EMF.

609
00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:23,276
So very high level understanding of that.

610
00:38:23,276 --> 00:38:25,618
But I mean, it seems to me like it could make sense.

611
00:38:25,618 --> 00:38:35,845
personally don't feel like I experience any difference around electromagnetic frequencies,
but there are really simple things that people can do if they're concerned about that.

612
00:38:35,845 --> 00:38:38,187
You can just make sure you turn your Wi-Fi off at night.

613
00:38:38,187 --> 00:38:40,108
Like you're not really using the internet, you know?

614
00:38:40,108 --> 00:38:41,189
So just turn it off.

615
00:38:41,189 --> 00:38:42,049
Get a kill switch.

616
00:38:42,049 --> 00:38:43,110
Turn it off.

617
00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:44,171
Don't have

618
00:38:44,171 --> 00:38:45,789
did to all of us yesterday.

619
00:38:46,856 --> 00:38:48,316
See, they helped you out.

620
00:38:50,478 --> 00:38:51,618
Yeah, like turn it off.

621
00:38:51,618 --> 00:38:55,281
Don't have things that are plugged in next to your head as you're sleeping.

622
00:38:55,281 --> 00:39:04,836
And I think that if you think about kind of creating a sleep sanctuary, so free from dust
and dirt and clutter, but also free from any frequencies, if that's something that you're

623
00:39:04,836 --> 00:39:07,027
concerned about, the changes are really simple.

624
00:39:07,027 --> 00:39:13,971
It really just requires some habit, some habit changes and some just kind of analysis of
whether or not that's something you're concerned with.

625
00:39:14,161 --> 00:39:19,696
But yeah, that's, you know, sometimes in the healthy home community, that's something, and
I've had it especially on social media though.

626
00:39:19,696 --> 00:39:24,750
I don't really have any clients currently that have this as a particular concern.

627
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:27,502
Now everybody says, I'm interested in that.

628
00:39:27,502 --> 00:39:36,690
think, you know, I would like to make changes that make sure that my home is not as
exposed to electromagnetic frequencies or, high voltage power lines or anything like that.

629
00:39:36,971 --> 00:39:37,891
And so,

630
00:39:37,891 --> 00:39:45,296
But when it comes down to like a dollars and cents perspective, the clients that I have
right now aren't particularly sensitive, so they're not really willing to make any

631
00:39:45,296 --> 00:39:47,918
investments that would actually affect the bottom line.

632
00:39:47,918 --> 00:39:55,404
If there are some changes that they can make from design perspective that don't change the
financials at all, then they're willing to do that.

633
00:39:55,404 --> 00:39:59,527
But there are some people who are very, very concerned, very, very susceptible.

634
00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:00,367
Yeah.

635
00:40:00,851 --> 00:40:09,851
And then you hit on something else there too, where kind of some of this comes down to the
things that a homeowner and a home buyer can do in setting up their house after they've

636
00:40:09,851 --> 00:40:11,051
acquired it, right?

637
00:40:11,051 --> 00:40:13,191
Creating a sleep sanctuary being one.

638
00:40:13,691 --> 00:40:19,691
So how much of a healthy home falls on the buyer as opposed to the builder?

639
00:40:19,691 --> 00:40:22,119
Because I've told buyers before,

640
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:29,239
especially when dads have asked about the state of a house, I had a dad ask me before,
like, so you've inspected this neighborhood before, right?

641
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,599
And I was like, actually it's my first house in this neighborhood.

642
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:38,259
He goes, so can you tell me how it's gonna hold up based on what you're seeing with the
neighbors houses?

643
00:40:38,259 --> 00:40:46,899
And I'm like, well, I've never been in the neighbors houses, but I can tell you that after
one week, if you put 10 different families in 10 different houses in the same street,

644
00:40:46,899 --> 00:40:49,117
after one week, they're all going to be different.

645
00:40:49,117 --> 00:40:49,539
Yeah.

646
00:40:49,539 --> 00:40:53,786
just based on how those people treat the property in the building itself.

647
00:40:53,786 --> 00:40:59,775
So how much of that falls on buyers and what things can they do as we pivot toward that in
creating a

648
00:41:00,091 --> 00:41:04,733
Yeah, I think you can't out maintain a bad structure.

649
00:41:05,334 --> 00:41:07,075
You know, em you can't.

650
00:41:07,075 --> 00:41:12,868
And so I think that relying on inspections and really investing in your inspections.

651
00:41:12,868 --> 00:41:19,862
So not not kind of value engineering and looking for the cheapest inspector to come out
and just give you a piece of paper and tell you everything is fine.

652
00:41:19,862 --> 00:41:23,784
Like actually approach with curiosity and openness.

653
00:41:23,784 --> 00:41:29,127
And I would even say if you get an inspection that's completely clean, there's something
was missed.

654
00:41:29,127 --> 00:41:35,189
You know, is, mean, construction is a messy business, you know, things are going to happen
and need to be improved.

655
00:41:35,189 --> 00:41:36,827
I wouldn't be afraid of that.

656
00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:44,272
I would, I would take that information as something that I could action, you know, and I
could either ask the builder to do it, or I could take that on myself, figure out how much

657
00:41:44,272 --> 00:41:53,864
that investment is going to be, maybe negotiate a price difference, you know, but I would
be, I would be very, very curious and be really, really invested in uh just, just

658
00:41:53,864 --> 00:41:55,355
collecting information.

659
00:41:56,454 --> 00:41:57,664
I completely agree.

660
00:41:57,664 --> 00:42:00,257
If you get a clean inspection for back something is wrong.

661
00:42:00,257 --> 00:42:07,122
Your concerns should be that you didn't get the value of your inspection and folks you
heard it here.

662
00:42:07,122 --> 00:42:09,393
She said it don't just get the cheapest inspector.

663
00:42:09,393 --> 00:42:09,934
She said it.

664
00:42:09,934 --> 00:42:12,185
Okay, we've said it to you before.

665
00:42:12,192 --> 00:42:15,893
needs to go follow Christina Greenfield right now just for saying that.

666
00:42:15,893 --> 00:42:16,627
You

667
00:42:16,627 --> 00:42:26,881
But it's so true, it's so true because you're out there, you're doing a different job than
someone who's just looking to collect a fee um to show up.

668
00:42:26,881 --> 00:42:34,050
You're doing a different job and you're actually providing a skilled service and skilled
services should be compensated accordingly.

669
00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:35,006
It's important.

670
00:42:35,006 --> 00:42:36,507
a lot of inspectors are doing that.

671
00:42:36,507 --> 00:42:40,209
I there's certainly some out there that are not uh pulling their way.

672
00:42:40,209 --> 00:42:41,805
There's still those.

673
00:42:41,805 --> 00:42:43,972
That's going to be the case with everything.

674
00:42:43,972 --> 00:42:49,055
But I do think, yeah, I agree that specialized services should be paid for your work.

675
00:42:49,055 --> 00:42:53,539
Now, we're talking a whole lot about buying homes, new homes, construction.

676
00:42:53,539 --> 00:43:02,837
But like, what about the pre-existing homes that somebody that's out there that actually
uh is interested in making their home a little bit?

677
00:43:02,837 --> 00:43:04,149
They're a little bit health conscious.

678
00:43:04,149 --> 00:43:05,923
They wanna make their home a little bit healthier.

679
00:43:05,923 --> 00:43:07,606
They don't know where to start.

680
00:43:07,606 --> 00:43:16,291
What's some low hanging fruit options where homeowners might be able to start uh working
their way towards a healthier home?

681
00:43:16,539 --> 00:43:17,839
I love that question.

682
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,320
actually just joined this group.

683
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,581
uh It's called Reimagine Buildings.

684
00:43:22,581 --> 00:43:31,343
And so for the most part, it's a lot of passive house professionals, but it's really
anybody interested in high performance homes, uh professionals interested in producing

685
00:43:31,343 --> 00:43:32,383
high performance homes.

686
00:43:32,383 --> 00:43:36,825
And we did a group kind of case study on retrofits.

687
00:43:36,825 --> 00:43:46,291
And so retrofits is distinct from just uh like a HGTV cosmetic, know, fixer upper or
whatever, but like actually trying to get

688
00:43:46,291 --> 00:43:49,353
uh an older home to perform better.

689
00:43:49,353 --> 00:44:00,840
And what we kind of landed on is you've really got to assess, fully assess the current
state of performance of a home, whatever age it is, before you decide how you're going to

690
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,402
really tackle making this home better, healthier.

691
00:44:06,127 --> 00:44:07,708
and knowing what healthy means to you.

692
00:44:07,708 --> 00:44:09,190
what actually is your goal?

693
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:18,887
If your goal is more airtight, um if your goal is preserving the structure, if your goal
is preserving the control layers, then you're going to be looking at the building

694
00:44:18,887 --> 00:44:19,268
envelope.

695
00:44:19,268 --> 00:44:27,995
But really first, you're looking at the mechanical system because God forbid, you take a
home down to the studs or you do any kind of extensive remediation, renovation that

696
00:44:27,995 --> 00:44:35,891
requires all that kind of peeling back at those layers and you haven't assessed the
mechanical system because now you're just circulating terrible air.

697
00:44:35,975 --> 00:44:39,316
you know, from a terrible system in that beautiful new envelope, right?

698
00:44:39,316 --> 00:44:44,557
So, um, and really the, can, you will, you will destroy all the work you did.

699
00:44:44,557 --> 00:44:46,698
So prepare to do it again.

700
00:44:46,698 --> 00:44:54,380
And some of my, some of my colleagues kind of in the industry, you know, they say a lot of
times, you know, if they're, if their bid was a little bit higher than someone else to

701
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:59,781
perform whatever service installation, HVAC, whatever, um, you know, they're like, okay,
just keep my number.

702
00:44:59,781 --> 00:45:00,542
I'm here for you.

703
00:45:00,542 --> 00:45:05,873
You know, if you need it, just know it's expensive the first time, but it's real expensive
the second time.

704
00:45:05,873 --> 00:45:07,254
You know, and that's true.

705
00:45:07,254 --> 00:45:10,294
That's really, that's really true.

706
00:45:10,294 --> 00:45:10,767
Yeah.

707
00:45:10,767 --> 00:45:16,791
So, um, I think that I would start and what I always advise my clients who are kind of
looking for this, would say first, first, what is your budget?

708
00:45:16,791 --> 00:45:18,152
What are you looking to spend?

709
00:45:18,152 --> 00:45:23,396
Um, if the budget is close to nothing, then we're talking about maintenance, you know, and
we're talking about a maintenance schedule.

710
00:45:23,396 --> 00:45:24,937
We're talking about your cleaning schedule.

711
00:45:24,937 --> 00:45:32,452
We're talking about maybe changing your products that you're using so that you're not, you
know, unnecessarily polluting your environment with toxic products, um, getting all the

712
00:45:32,452 --> 00:45:33,287
dust up.

713
00:45:33,287 --> 00:45:37,379
you know, not stirring it up because whatever's the, you whatever's up comes down, right?

714
00:45:37,379 --> 00:45:45,834
So if, for example, there could be microbial growth in the home, it's sporing, it's
falling in the dust, pick up the dust before you inhale it, you know, just pick it up.

715
00:45:45,834 --> 00:45:49,136
um So we're talking about maintenance from that perspective.

716
00:45:49,136 --> 00:46:00,163
If you're interested in like a, in a true uh retrofit, then I would start with assessing
the performance and I would start with assessing the performance of the HVAC system and

717
00:46:00,163 --> 00:46:01,125
then the envelope.

718
00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:04,477
short to follow and I think those two things have to be updated.

719
00:46:04,477 --> 00:46:11,570
think unfortunately, and you guys probably see this too, you some people are like, okay
I'm going to get these energy efficiency credits or whatever, know, whenever the IRS was

720
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:13,831
offering different rebates and things like that.

721
00:46:13,831 --> 00:46:23,276
We had some energy efficiency updates but people were just getting the update for the
credit and they weren't really thinking about how that update could contribute to, are you

722
00:46:23,276 --> 00:46:24,110
okay?

723
00:46:24,110 --> 00:46:25,551
We gotta redo this.

724
00:46:25,551 --> 00:46:28,713
My dog decided to just knock everything over.

725
00:46:28,713 --> 00:46:29,673
Hold on.

726
00:46:30,395 --> 00:46:31,386
funny.

727
00:46:32,067 --> 00:46:33,527
We have a situation.

728
00:46:33,527 --> 00:46:35,147
up one on nine.

729
00:46:36,328 --> 00:46:37,148
We can't.

730
00:46:37,148 --> 00:46:40,409
This has got to stay in there like we can't we can't read it.

731
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:42,717
There's no way we're taking this out.

732
00:46:42,717 --> 00:46:44,291
There's absolutely this magic.

733
00:46:44,291 --> 00:46:45,191
Great.

734
00:46:46,492 --> 00:46:49,063
We should should we all do it to make him feel better?

735
00:46:49,063 --> 00:46:53,134
You know, like whenever everyone's like, Hey, everyone feed their pants.

736
00:46:53,275 --> 00:46:56,776
We'll just just walk over our stuff now just to make Brad feel better.

737
00:46:56,776 --> 00:46:59,117
uh

738
00:46:59,521 --> 00:47:00,688
Cheese and rice.

739
00:47:00,688 --> 00:47:01,962
it happens man.

740
00:47:01,962 --> 00:47:05,311
I'm just glad I'm not the one having technical difficulty yet.

741
00:47:05,855 --> 00:47:07,604
Because the show's not over.

742
00:47:07,604 --> 00:47:08,165
right behind you.

743
00:47:08,165 --> 00:47:09,438
We're right behind you.

744
00:47:09,438 --> 00:47:10,402
Oh, now it's crooked.

745
00:47:10,402 --> 00:47:11,648
Hold on.

746
00:47:11,764 --> 00:47:14,605
Not really good, but I got way too much above your head.

747
00:47:15,046 --> 00:47:17,007
But but anyway, all right.

748
00:47:17,007 --> 00:47:18,616
Well, are we still rolling?

749
00:47:18,616 --> 00:47:20,309
We're not gonna cut this out, right?

750
00:47:20,969 --> 00:47:23,651
Because we're gonna leave it.

751
00:47:23,651 --> 00:47:24,427
We're gonna leave it.

752
00:47:24,427 --> 00:47:25,084
We're gonna leave it.

753
00:47:25,084 --> 00:47:28,033
Well, with that being said, I feel like I have to do something here, right?

754
00:47:28,033 --> 00:47:36,878
First of all, it's kind of funny what you were saying because it's like, okay, you want
some low hanging fruit about what you can do have a healthier home clean your damn house.

755
00:47:38,419 --> 00:47:39,984
Clean up.

756
00:47:40,339 --> 00:47:43,983
Wait, do you guys keep your shoes on in your house?

757
00:47:43,983 --> 00:47:45,045
I have to know.

758
00:47:45,045 --> 00:47:46,556
The viewers need to know.

759
00:47:46,564 --> 00:47:52,206
Most of the time I do, but most of the time it's house house shoes.

760
00:47:54,888 --> 00:47:57,696
Yeah, I mean, I'm very guilty of outside shoes coming in.

761
00:47:57,696 --> 00:47:58,669
I mean, I have dogs.

762
00:47:58,669 --> 00:48:00,464
It's like sometimes I say, well, what the heck?

763
00:48:00,464 --> 00:48:01,290
I don't like it.

764
00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:03,251
I've tried to get better better about it.

765
00:48:03,251 --> 00:48:04,718
Something kind of did all I did.

766
00:48:04,718 --> 00:48:05,902
There's never a thing growing up for me.

767
00:48:05,902 --> 00:48:07,653
Like shoes are kind of always on.

768
00:48:07,653 --> 00:48:08,973
I also have foot problems.

769
00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:11,695
So like a shoe has to be on my foot like period.

770
00:48:11,695 --> 00:48:13,035
I ain't walking barefoot.

771
00:48:13,035 --> 00:48:15,340
And so it really just depends.

772
00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:22,940
But I do, I think for the most part, we're not in our shoes in the house mostly.

773
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,240
yeah, I mean, that's it, low hanging fruit, definitely taking shoes off when you're in the
house.

774
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,006
Hey, we gotta do something.

775
00:48:30,006 --> 00:48:31,740
shoe on or shoe off family?

776
00:48:31,916 --> 00:48:35,598
Well, it's a it's a slippers inside and then they're outside shoes.

777
00:48:35,598 --> 00:48:37,379
You take them off when you can.

778
00:48:37,439 --> 00:48:38,920
It's a pretty strict thing for me.

779
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,771
But here's the thing.

780
00:48:39,771 --> 00:48:40,681
How about this one, guys?

781
00:48:40,681 --> 00:48:42,152
Since we've been interrupted by it.

782
00:48:42,152 --> 00:48:43,182
Pets.

783
00:48:43,183 --> 00:48:49,810
Honestly, pets bring so much from the outside in and they can mess up your your home
studio podcasting setup.

784
00:48:49,810 --> 00:48:56,240
I would would had like to mention something though before I mean while we're on that topic
we are all three doodle owners.

785
00:48:56,986 --> 00:48:59,978
You're all three golden doodle owners actually.

786
00:48:59,978 --> 00:49:05,326
So in this portion that we were, we were wonderfully interrupted by my dog.

787
00:49:05,326 --> 00:49:13,611
but anyway, yeah, no, mean, truly though, they, they are probably one of the biggest
reasons that dirt makes its way inside.

788
00:49:13,611 --> 00:49:15,048
Dust makes its way inside.

789
00:49:15,048 --> 00:49:25,108
% yeah totally hey guys we gotta gotta we gotta stop we gotta stop we gotta do the drink
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791
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792
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793
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794
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795
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796
00:49:40,508 --> 00:49:48,750
But you know, we haven't really gotten to it yet today simply because the drink of the
day, none of us are really drinking because we started recording this at 1pm on a

797
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:49,530
Thursday.

798
00:49:49,530 --> 00:49:50,250
Yeah.

799
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:52,011
But, and yeah, we rolled right into it too.

800
00:49:52,011 --> 00:49:54,392
But before mine's gone, let's do it.

801
00:49:54,392 --> 00:49:56,286
ah So first of all,

802
00:49:56,286 --> 00:50:02,633
Thank you, Christina, thank you for being, not just being here, but for being as well.

803
00:50:02,633 --> 00:50:04,924
Let's start with you, what are you sipping on?

804
00:50:05,707 --> 00:50:07,354
Tea, here we go.

805
00:50:07,354 --> 00:50:10,474
of like ADHD caffeine tea.

806
00:50:11,254 --> 00:50:12,614
Yeah.

807
00:50:13,214 --> 00:50:14,061
So good.

808
00:50:14,061 --> 00:50:15,041
the coffee.

809
00:50:15,041 --> 00:50:15,781
love my mug.

810
00:50:15,781 --> 00:50:17,173
This is a new mug I got for Christmas.

811
00:50:17,173 --> 00:50:21,666
It's the dark side of the bean dark dark dark dark side of the brew.

812
00:50:21,666 --> 00:50:24,248
That makes more sense dark side of the brew pink Floyd mug.

813
00:50:24,248 --> 00:50:31,963
So anyway loving that and uh this is like some I think it's called bones coffee company
and it's like a caramel vanilla flavored coffee.

814
00:50:31,963 --> 00:50:33,934
I'm not doing anything in my coffee.

815
00:50:34,274 --> 00:50:36,135
I don't have any cream or sugar.

816
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,978
I gave that up m this year.

817
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:42,898
So it's kind of a new thing but

818
00:50:42,898 --> 00:50:48,495
But anyway, it's a flavored coffee, which I don't usually do, but I said, what the heck?

819
00:50:48,535 --> 00:50:49,350
Cheers.

820
00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:50,345
Cheers.

821
00:50:50,662 --> 00:50:50,972
love it.

822
00:50:50,972 --> 00:50:52,454
Mine is completely unflavored.

823
00:50:52,454 --> 00:50:54,857
I am sipping just black coffee.

824
00:50:54,857 --> 00:50:56,279
It's my third one of the day.

825
00:50:56,279 --> 00:51:04,409
It will not be my last because I've got a uh video project I'm shooting up in uh
Cincinnati for Porsche tomorrow.

826
00:51:04,409 --> 00:51:08,134
So I got a lot to do today since tomorrow is going to be kind of a wash.

827
00:51:08,134 --> 00:51:09,027
Yeah, it's gonna be

828
00:51:09,027 --> 00:51:09,518
doing that.

829
00:51:09,518 --> 00:51:11,482
Cincinnati is a great place though.

830
00:51:11,845 --> 00:51:13,246
I went there last year.

831
00:51:13,246 --> 00:51:17,900
I'll be up and just driving up and driving back in the same day, shooting the content
we're there to shoot.

832
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:19,531
But, but anyway, yeah.

833
00:51:19,531 --> 00:51:22,873
So we're, you know, we're all, we're all tracking to be a little bit healthier here.

834
00:51:22,873 --> 00:51:31,378
We're the drink of the day maybe has a little hiatus right now, but you know, guys sound
off in the comments on what you're sipping on and more importantly, what's, are some

835
00:51:31,378 --> 00:51:36,171
health hazards that you point out above and beyond the scope of the inspection in your
reports?

836
00:51:36,171 --> 00:51:37,481
We want to hear about that as well.

837
00:51:37,481 --> 00:51:39,192
Sound off in the comments on that.

838
00:51:39,272 --> 00:51:47,758
But jumping back into it, Christina, I want to talk a little bit about education too,
because again, that's a whole part of the job of what we do as inspectors.

839
00:51:47,838 --> 00:51:49,959
And I want to hit on this.

840
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:59,046
Your whole site, it presents some wonderful books and resources, some of them free, some
of them subscription-based.

841
00:51:59,247 --> 00:52:04,030
But home buyers and home inspectors can all have access to this information.

842
00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:06,512
But you do coursework for realtors.

843
00:52:06,512 --> 00:52:07,080
m

844
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:15,212
What are some things that inspectors could do as far as utilizing some of this material,
whether it's at Lunch and Learns, do you mind if they use your material for that?

845
00:52:15,212 --> 00:52:23,684
Because there's a lot that we could be doing uh to continue to educate ourselves, but also
our clients and target audiences about healthy homes.

846
00:52:23,832 --> 00:52:24,472
Absolutely.

847
00:52:24,472 --> 00:52:24,842
Yeah.

848
00:52:24,842 --> 00:52:32,585
No, I'm, I'm a big proponent of sharing information, helping each other, elevating each
other, elevating variety of industries.

849
00:52:32,585 --> 00:52:43,809
uh Matt actually participated in a certification program that I created for realtors and
he gave an incredible presentation just on the building science and inspections, uh you

850
00:52:43,809 --> 00:52:53,696
know, to help them understand how his services or services from people who are concerned
with building science like him uh can help support their clients.

851
00:52:53,696 --> 00:53:02,403
And I think that when you kind of create those connections for people and let them know
that there are synergies out there, there's support out there, there is a whole group of

852
00:53:02,403 --> 00:53:11,540
people who are like-minded, then that goes a long way to helping people understand that,
there's a market for people who actually give a crap about this.

853
00:53:11,541 --> 00:53:16,205
And we can all come together in a variety of ways.

854
00:53:16,205 --> 00:53:23,170
Put ego to the side and just show up as you are with what you've got at the time and see
who you can help.

855
00:53:23,232 --> 00:53:31,307
Um, you know, and in addition to that, like, um, just a little tidbit, and then I'll talk
a little bit more about the education piece, but this is it.

856
00:53:31,307 --> 00:53:39,862
This is the health and wellness real estate market is growing to it's expected to hit like
900 billion by 2028.

857
00:53:40,132 --> 00:53:44,104
And that's just people understanding that their, their indoor environment affects their
health.

858
00:53:44,104 --> 00:53:45,735
just does, you know?

859
00:53:45,735 --> 00:53:48,877
And so, um, people are, you know, they're, they're investing in that.

860
00:53:48,877 --> 00:53:50,700
They want to invest in that.

861
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:53,462
And some people will say, well, there's not a market for it.

862
00:53:53,462 --> 00:53:57,175
And I'm like, well, because we're trying to create the product.

863
00:53:57,175 --> 00:54:00,428
The product doesn't exactly exist just yet.

864
00:54:00,428 --> 00:54:03,480
You have to really know what you're doing and where you're going.

865
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,992
It is attainable, but it's not necessarily off the shelf.

866
00:54:06,992 --> 00:54:09,085
And so you need a team of support.

867
00:54:09,085 --> 00:54:10,726
You need a great inspector.

868
00:54:10,726 --> 00:54:12,007
You need a great builder.

869
00:54:12,007 --> 00:54:13,618
You need to educate yourself.

870
00:54:13,618 --> 00:54:14,754
Yeah.

871
00:54:14,754 --> 00:54:25,818
true because like as people become more conscious of this and demand better from the
builders, builders are taking steps in directions to try to address these needs, but

872
00:54:25,818 --> 00:54:29,669
they're not oftentimes getting it all right.

873
00:54:29,669 --> 00:54:34,190
And so you've got to have people on your side to identify.

874
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:40,602
OK, yeah, well, I'm going to use the the the obvious one, but like spray foam, you know
what I mean?

875
00:54:40,602 --> 00:54:41,292
Ever, ever.

876
00:54:41,292 --> 00:54:42,272
It's like.

877
00:54:42,510 --> 00:54:44,111
no, my builder, they're top notch.

878
00:54:44,111 --> 00:54:45,971
They're doing high performance stuff like spray foam.

879
00:54:45,971 --> 00:54:50,928
It's like, okay, well, there's a lot of I's that need to be dotted and T's that need to be
crossed.

880
00:54:50,928 --> 00:54:52,539
You can't just do spray foam.

881
00:54:52,539 --> 00:55:00,080
Like there's got, there's, there's some things that we need to talk about and you gotta
have people on your side to be able to make sure that is done right.

882
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,830
Yes.

883
00:55:00,830 --> 00:55:01,491
Yeah.

884
00:55:01,491 --> 00:55:01,891
Yeah.

885
00:55:01,891 --> 00:55:10,953
And just, just making sure that like you're getting your information from, you know, real
vetted on bias sources, building a science corporation is a great one.

886
00:55:10,953 --> 00:55:12,096
You mentioned Matt Risinger.

887
00:55:12,096 --> 00:55:13,330
He's a great one.

888
00:55:13,330 --> 00:55:22,884
Um, you know, I think that it's a real differentiator when you can find an inspector who
is versed in building and just, and just the thermodynamics, the science, you know, like

889
00:55:22,884 --> 00:55:24,775
Why are we finding what we're finding?

890
00:55:24,775 --> 00:55:33,321
Like Matt said, how can I help create that trail so that it's easier, everybody
understands what the issue is that they actually need to address?

891
00:55:33,321 --> 00:55:35,783
uh I think those are big differentiators.

892
00:55:35,783 --> 00:55:38,285
And like I mentioned, the market is huge.

893
00:55:38,285 --> 00:55:47,942
So when people start seeing that there are inspectors who are taking the time to learn
more than what was required when they got their license and present that as an actual part

894
00:55:47,942 --> 00:55:51,534
of their services, I think that's going to be highly, highly sought after.

895
00:55:51,656 --> 00:55:52,266
That's huge.

896
00:55:52,266 --> 00:55:55,864
have any other real estate agent classes coming up?

897
00:55:56,078 --> 00:55:56,498
I do.

898
00:55:56,498 --> 00:55:59,789
Yeah, actually next week we're um doing an online version.

899
00:55:59,789 --> 00:56:02,480
So I had a lot of demand for people outside of Texas.

900
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,700
And so we've opened that up.

901
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:09,922
yeah, January 19th, 20th, 21st and 22nd, we're splitting it up into four, you one hour
over four days.

902
00:56:09,922 --> 00:56:15,704
um And then they get access to the masterclass that Matt, that one of them that you
recorded for them.

903
00:56:15,704 --> 00:56:16,831
So they'll get that.

904
00:56:16,831 --> 00:56:18,985
They'll get the opportunity to earn the certification.

905
00:56:18,985 --> 00:56:21,136
um And I'm super excited.

906
00:56:21,136 --> 00:56:22,918
We've got people from all over.

907
00:56:22,918 --> 00:56:24,978
all over the US who have signed up.

908
00:56:24,978 --> 00:56:26,798
it's growing.

909
00:56:26,798 --> 00:56:27,638
It's really growing.

910
00:56:27,638 --> 00:56:28,518
People are interested.

911
00:56:28,518 --> 00:56:30,238
Real estate agents are seeing.

912
00:56:30,258 --> 00:56:37,138
Because there's a lot of people out there, you guys have probably seen this, who market
themselves as holistic or healthy realtors.

913
00:56:37,138 --> 00:56:42,898
And my question to them, again, kind of putting the legal hat on is, what exactly does
that mean?

914
00:56:42,898 --> 00:56:46,138
What are you representing that you're providing to your client?

915
00:56:46,138 --> 00:56:51,418
And how might that be misconstrued and thereby unnecessarily increase your liability?

916
00:56:52,522 --> 00:56:55,585
A lot of it is kind of like those conversations.

917
00:56:55,585 --> 00:56:56,876
How do we have those conversations?

918
00:56:56,876 --> 00:57:06,143
How do we resource realtors so that they have good referral network to help clients who
need that type of support uh without increasing their liability unnecessarily?

919
00:57:06,143 --> 00:57:11,312
I think that's important because nobody's going to do this good work if they're taking on
more risk than is necessary, Yeah.

920
00:57:11,312 --> 00:57:11,963
Right, right.

921
00:57:11,963 --> 00:57:17,040
So this may air after that class, but you do that periodically.

922
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,396
And so, where can people find out where to sign up for that?

923
00:57:21,396 --> 00:57:24,810
If it's something they're interested in, find you to find more information on you.

924
00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:26,722
Where can they, where can they find this information?

925
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:29,351
Yeah, so conscioushealthyhome.com.

926
00:57:29,351 --> 00:57:32,412
um No S, conscioushealthyhome.com.

927
00:57:32,412 --> 00:57:34,862
That's where I put most of my resources and time.

928
00:57:34,862 --> 00:57:42,465
I'm not great at social media, so I do have social media, Instagram, but I'm not super
good at it, but I put most of my resources.

929
00:57:42,465 --> 00:57:49,657
I have a blog where I give you all kinds of information, all kinds of resources, back
links so that you can actually go get this information yourself.

930
00:57:49,657 --> 00:57:50,997
That's something that's really important to me.

931
00:57:50,997 --> 00:57:53,062
When I say something, I cite the source.

932
00:57:53,062 --> 00:57:54,042
So you go check it out.

933
00:57:54,042 --> 00:57:55,062
Go see, did I get it right?

934
00:57:55,062 --> 00:57:56,362
Did I summarize it incorrectly?

935
00:57:56,362 --> 00:57:58,042
Like you decide, you know?

936
00:57:58,042 --> 00:58:00,102
And I think that's really, really important.

937
00:58:00,102 --> 00:58:02,342
yeah, that's where everything is posted.

938
00:58:02,342 --> 00:58:05,582
They can sign up for the real estate class there as well.

939
00:58:05,582 --> 00:58:11,022
And once you sign up, you get access to all those master classes, one of which Matt
generously recorded for us.

940
00:58:11,022 --> 00:58:12,762
So it's a really good one.

941
00:58:12,991 --> 00:58:13,728
That's huge.

942
00:58:13,728 --> 00:58:18,990
on that topic, like we've talked about like conscious healthy home and what makes a
healthy home and all of this.

943
00:58:18,990 --> 00:58:24,672
But what is it that you do for people that that hire you like your clients?

944
00:58:24,672 --> 00:58:26,800
Like what are what is it?

945
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:32,896
Are you considered a consultant in the the in the home buying or building process or what?

946
00:58:32,896 --> 00:58:33,356
What is it?

947
00:58:33,356 --> 00:58:34,554
What would you call that?

948
00:58:34,554 --> 00:58:36,276
Yeah, I think consultant.

949
00:58:36,276 --> 00:58:38,357
mean, consultant is what I call myself.

950
00:58:38,357 --> 00:58:51,268
m And really, one thing, I mean, it's not exactly the same type of consultancy as other
people provide because one thing that is really important to me is that my clients are

951
00:58:51,268 --> 00:58:52,539
making their own decisions.

952
00:58:52,539 --> 00:58:58,514
So some people need a consultant who is going to say, do this, ABC, do this.

953
00:58:58,534 --> 00:59:03,148
Because of my experience with my family and understanding how the really

954
00:59:03,148 --> 00:59:09,321
only way that we could have uh protected ourselves was if we were better informed to make
better decisions.

955
00:59:09,321 --> 00:59:13,984
And so it's really important to me that I educate my clients and I say, Hey, here's all
the options.

956
00:59:14,044 --> 00:59:15,245
Here's the risks.

957
00:59:15,245 --> 00:59:17,826
Here's your values that you told me were your values.

958
00:59:17,826 --> 00:59:23,029
You help, you know, let's decide what lines up and then I'll support you in whatever
decision that you make.

959
00:59:23,029 --> 00:59:32,364
So, so I think I'm an educator first and foremost, but I'm a consultant guiding people
through either a uh remediation, renovation, retrofit, or new build, particularly when

960
00:59:32,364 --> 00:59:32,976
they have

961
00:59:32,976 --> 00:59:34,729
healthy home goals.

962
00:59:35,145 --> 00:59:36,245
That's huge.

963
00:59:36,847 --> 00:59:44,243
Well, with those goals and with your expertise as a consultant here, uh let's say let's go
out with a banger.

964
00:59:44,243 --> 00:59:52,861
So what's one sentence that you could pass along to every buyer or agent or even an
inspector about healthy homes?

965
00:59:54,246 --> 00:59:56,486
Ooh, that's tough, one sentence.

966
00:59:57,186 --> 01:00:00,186
You a lawyer she only has one sentence to say something.

967
01:00:03,286 --> 01:00:07,446
I know, I'm like, oh, this is really a challenge.

968
01:00:10,471 --> 01:00:12,333
Okay, I'm just going be very, very brief.

969
01:00:12,333 --> 01:00:13,634
It's possible.

970
01:00:14,596 --> 01:00:16,778
Achieving your goals is possible.

971
01:00:17,339 --> 01:00:18,901
Helping your clients is possible.

972
01:00:18,901 --> 01:00:19,916
It's possible.

973
01:00:19,916 --> 01:00:26,104
What an excellent note to go out on in this new year, starting this season.

974
01:00:26,105 --> 01:00:26,916
It's possible.

975
01:00:26,916 --> 01:00:27,748
I like it.

976
01:00:27,748 --> 01:00:28,696
It's fantastic.

977
01:00:28,696 --> 01:00:30,539
I to do drier January.

978
01:00:30,539 --> 01:00:38,576
It's possible for people to have healthier homes and to start making decisions that just
affect the quality of life that they have in their abode.

979
01:00:38,576 --> 01:00:39,592
That's huge.

980
01:00:39,592 --> 01:00:52,826
Hey guys, I wanna plug one thing real quick because it's coming up in about a month or so,
give or take mid February, I will be in Orlando, Florida at the International Builder

981
01:00:52,826 --> 01:00:53,696
Show.

982
01:00:53,836 --> 01:01:03,159
I will have some exclusive things to give away there, including this hat, which I have
made specifically for the Orlando show with the palm trees and the colors.

983
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:07,410
It also has the Owens Corning Lumber logo on the side.

984
01:01:07,410 --> 01:01:08,991
co-branded with Owens Corning Lumber.

985
01:01:08,991 --> 01:01:11,222
It is only going to be available there.

986
01:01:11,222 --> 01:01:21,346
And I also have available at the Sashco booth, a comic book, ah The Adventures of
Inspection Man, only available at IBS.

987
01:01:21,346 --> 01:01:25,081
I'm not gonna let the cat out of the bag, but it's pretty cool.

988
01:01:25,081 --> 01:01:27,656
in there that I'm a big fan of too, man.

989
01:01:27,656 --> 01:01:30,976
I think I might know which one it is and maybe I'll let that one out.

990
01:01:30,976 --> 01:01:32,056
Let's see here.

991
01:01:32,056 --> 01:01:35,091
Would it be this one?

992
01:01:35,091 --> 01:01:36,121
I think that one's it.

993
01:01:36,121 --> 01:01:37,042
I think that one's it.

994
01:01:37,042 --> 01:01:37,702
That's huge.

995
01:01:37,702 --> 01:01:44,466
Guys, things like this giveaways of stuff that we're looking to be doing throughout the
throughout the year coming up.

996
01:01:44,466 --> 01:01:46,067
We're working out details on all of that.

997
01:01:46,067 --> 01:01:50,449
But the key impetus here is not only do you need to go follow Christina, go do that as
well.

998
01:01:50,449 --> 01:01:55,752
Make sure you follow the show and interact with us because we're going to be we've got
some cool stuff that we're going to give away to you guys.

999
01:01:55,752 --> 01:02:02,576
And, know, we're also very appreciative of our listeners, Matt, because there's there was
a couple that gave us these cool little coasters here.

1000
01:02:02,576 --> 01:02:03,796
How neat is that?

1001
01:02:04,057 --> 01:02:04,557
Yeah.

1002
01:02:04,557 --> 01:02:05,376
that's awesome.

1003
01:02:05,376 --> 01:02:13,966
Michael Goldmay gave us these coasters and that's what kind of stemmed us on this giveaway
journey, which we're trying to work out the details on.

1004
01:02:13,966 --> 01:02:22,566
But guys, we have been in works with uh some companies and we're hoping to be able to
possibly one per show, uh give something to you guys.

1005
01:02:22,566 --> 01:02:23,947
So we're excited about that.

1006
01:02:23,947 --> 01:02:24,998
Hopefully it works out.

1007
01:02:24,998 --> 01:02:26,889
We'll probably know something by the next show.

1008
01:02:26,889 --> 01:02:27,310
That's it.

1009
01:02:27,310 --> 01:02:28,261
Definitely for sure.

1010
01:02:28,261 --> 01:02:31,465
yeah, so honestly, guys, thank you so much for watching.

1011
01:02:31,465 --> 01:02:33,218
Christina, thank you so much for being here.

1012
01:02:33,218 --> 01:02:36,222
This has been a wonderful way to kick off the year, truly.

1013
01:02:36,222 --> 01:02:42,390
So thank you for all that you offer to the real estate and home inspection industry and to
home buyers.

1014
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:44,838
And we've got to do this again sometime soon.

1015
01:02:44,838 --> 01:02:53,233
100 % thank you guys for having me this has been so much fun I really appreciate it and
hey in the spirit in the spirit of giving let me just say the first if you know after

1016
01:02:53,233 --> 01:03:03,634
people watch this if they want to reach out to me the first five realtors that reach out
to me I'll let them attend the next class for free so yeah

1017
01:03:03,634 --> 01:03:05,387
And thank you guys again so much for watching.

1018
01:03:05,387 --> 01:03:06,660
We'll see you here, right?

1019
01:03:06,660 --> 01:03:09,809
We'll see you right here next time again on.

1020
01:03:10,439 --> 01:03:11,015
ride along.